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SPINOZA's guide to "dirty" Seoul
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: SPINOZA's guide to "dirty" Seoul Reply with quote



An average, nothing-special suburb of Seoul. As you can clearly see, the streets and sidewalks are literally awash with trash and litter. And look at those unsightly properties next to those mountains. Who'd want to live in THAT? Shocked



No shortage of general filth here either.



Here we go...City Hall area, downtown Seoul. This must've been a good day because usually there's a huge trash dump there. The Koreans just dump all their trash unashamedly in a busy part of town. Namsan is barely visible in the background too thanks to all the air pollution. Rolling Eyes





This curious building has even turned into a funny shape, thanks to excessive levels of toxic gases in the atmosphere. I suspect the trash dump near City Hall has something to do with it!



A public school in Seoul. Jeez, what a dump! This picture just SCREAMS air pollution, trash, litter flying everywhere, all manner of Korean foulness! Who'd want to work in an environment like this? Beats me.



The Moon in a Seoul late-winter evening - barely visible, as beneath it is clearly an ocean of brown smog.




The bits of green, brown and orange on this little building are pollution stains. How disgusting!



Pollution stains aplenty on these buildings in downtown Seoul. I could hardly breathe in that air as I took the pic!



If all the above wasn't enough, look at this for degradation and general uncleanliness!



These buildings have turned a nasty brown.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: SPINOZA's guide to "dirty" Seoul Reply with quote

It's sick and disgusting. I don't know how you Seoulites live with such barbarianism each and everyday.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't get it. the buildings themselves are the trash on the landscape.
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Free World



Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Drake Hotel

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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inspector gadget



Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Spinoza,

Don't take this the wrong way just a little something I noticed.

I am assuming that you posted this thread in response to some of the posts that can be found on the thread entitiled "Incheon named worlds best airport".


The second poster on that thread stated that if only the rest of KOREA was as marvelous as the first place you step in when you come here....(meaning dirty)


Shortly thereafter ajgeddes provided a similar post, A little decieving because when you get into the COUNTRY its a completely different story...


Then you quote ajgeddes..........and say this...

I assume where you come from is a pristine squeeky-clean paradise if you think Korea's dirty. Where is all this filth in Korea? I've never seen any, apart from that created by wakguks in Hongdae at weekend. The bus ride from Incheon airport to Seoul is really nice and I've seen significantly dirtier places than Seoul, so what are you talking about?


I too could not believe that you do not see the filth in Korea and posted this.....

Spinoza,

You don't see the filth???

Are you in the same KOREA??

KOREA is one of the filthiest places I have ever seen. Koreans treat there COUNTRY like one big garbage dump. Look around the garbage is absolutely disgusting, go for a walk and look around on the ground.

Not sure where you live but the only places in Korea that seem to be void of an insane amount of litter are the mountains because its a spiritual place. (ADDITION, I should have said NATIONAL PARKS, not simply mountains as you notably stated 70% is mountainous)

I can take 500 steps and see at least 1000 pieces of crap lying on the ground, everything from candy wrappers, tires, fridges, couches and anything else they don't want. To me its Koreas worst attribute without a doubt.

If the government of Korea wanted to make a lot of money they should simply inact and enforce a fine for littering. Oh no wait that might make everyone in Korea poor in a matter of months.



SPINOZA,

three posters were talking about the filth in KOREA, wait shall we say that again, KOREA and one more time KOREA,yet again KOREA.

WHY ARE YOU GOING ON AND ON ABOUT HOW CLEAN SEOUL IS WHEN THE THREE POSTERS WERE TALKING ABOUT KOREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LAST TIME I CHECKED KOREA DID EXTEND BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF SEOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not writing this message in hast however I DO THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE SAID, KOREA, NOT SEOUL!

I do recall that seoul was cleaner than other areas of the country however KOREA as a whole is disgustingly filthy, get out into the countryside, go to villages, small and mid size towns and you will see the filth.


Thats all
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA Rolling Eyes
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when my parents came to visit last summer they remarked, "Seoul is so clean for such a big city." Yes, it is.

There are dirty areas. There are more whiners.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:02 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

It's not clean at all. It's filthy. But those pictures do not match his text. Either Spinoza is being an idiot, or being sarcastic (not a lot of difference).
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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when my parents came to visit last summer they remarked, "Seoul is so clean for such a big city." Yes, it is.


Then it must be true. Rolling Eyes

No one was ever whining about how dirty the city was. This all started over a comment on how clean the airport is. Making a comment about what the cities look like is not whining.

Of course there are areas of Seoul that are relatively clean. Especially if you stick to the areas like where palaces and city hall are. Go onto the side streets. If you walk around the Jongno area, one street is relatively clean while the next is littered with garbage. Seoul is not a filthy, disgusting city, but it is dirty.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say that Seoul is the most dirty place on earth, because it isn't all that bad.

However, I will say that SPINOZA picked some well kept areas to snap with his camera and make a biased point about.

Now, my hometown is CLEAN. Very clean, except for the thugs and homeless, who are quite an eyesore...
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has changed in the last few years, or maybe I just don't notice it as much. No, when I think about it, Korea has changed.

It used to be a lot dirtier and a lot more different when I first came here. I am a newbie in the scheme of things. I have only been here 5 yrs and thats not much. Though if you ask others who have been here longer than me I am sure that they too have noticed a change in korea, in many different areas and rubbish collection is one of them.

Though I am still waiting for the day that rubbish bins are the norm and not the unexpected. Wink
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yesnoyesyesno



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inspector gadget wrote:
Dear Spinoza,

Don't take this the wrong way just a little something I noticed.

I am assuming that you posted this thread in response to some of the posts that can be found on the thread entitiled "Incheon named worlds best airport".


The second poster on that thread stated that if only the rest of KOREA was as marvelous as the first place you step in when you come here....(meaning dirty)


Shortly thereafter ajgeddes provided a similar post, A little decieving because when you get into the COUNTRY its a completely different story...


Then you quote ajgeddes..........and say this...

I assume where you come from is a pristine squeeky-clean paradise if you think Korea's dirty. Where is all this filth in Korea? I've never seen any, apart from that created by wakguks in Hongdae at weekend. The bus ride from Incheon airport to Seoul is really nice and I've seen significantly dirtier places than Seoul, so what are you talking about?


I too could not believe that you do not see the filth in Korea and posted this.....

Spinoza,

You don't see the filth???

Are you in the same KOREA??

KOREA is one of the filthiest places I have ever seen. Koreans treat there COUNTRY like one big garbage dump. Look around the garbage is absolutely disgusting, go for a walk and look around on the ground.

Not sure where you live but the only places in Korea that seem to be void of an insane amount of litter are the mountains because its a spiritual place. (ADDITION, I should have said NATIONAL PARKS, not simply mountains as you notably stated 70% is mountainous)

I can take 500 steps and see at least 1000 pieces of crap lying on the ground, everything from candy wrappers, tires, fridges, couches and anything else they don't want. To me its Koreas worst attribute without a doubt.

If the government of Korea wanted to make a lot of money they should simply inact and enforce a fine for littering. Oh no wait that might make everyone in Korea poor in a matter of months.



SPINOZA,

three posters were talking about the filth in KOREA, wait shall we say that again, KOREA and one more time KOREA,yet again KOREA.

WHY ARE YOU GOING ON AND ON ABOUT HOW CLEAN SEOUL IS WHEN THE THREE POSTERS WERE TALKING ABOUT KOREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LAST TIME I CHECKED KOREA DID EXTEND BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF SEOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not writing this message in hast however I DO THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE SAID, KOREA, NOT SEOUL!

I do recall that seoul was cleaner than other areas of the country however KOREA as a whole is disgustingly filthy, get out into the countryside, go to villages, small and mid size towns and you will see the filth.


Thats all


the ability to control emotions is what separates us from the animals. this guy here is a slave to his emotions
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Sofa_King



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that there is a large difference between Seoul in the winter and Seoul in the summer. In the winter time, the city doesn't smell like rotten kimchi baking in a hot sun. Also, the air pollution becomes terrible in the summer months, and combined with the heat, it can turn ugly.

You've only been here for 6 months during cooler times. Wait for the summer time, and I think you'll understand why a lot of people complain about how filthy it can get.

Also, I'm guessing that a large population of teachers living here are from smaller communities, which always seem much cleaner due to less traffic and people. For me, I'm from the sticks, so Seoul seems much dirtier. You, however, are from Manchester, so the cities may be comparable in pollution (just venturing a guess here).
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish there were more garbage cans, especially in the subway.

I used to be on a huge ice latte kick, and I often had to stick the empty cup in my purse, and then it would inevitably tip over, soaking tissues, etc. I don't drink ice lattes much anymore...

I was at Inchon a/p once waiting for the bus into the city. Some Kiwis who had never been to Korea before stepped outside the a/p, and I heard them say, "GOD, it STINKS out here" while wrinkling their noses. I almost pooed myself laughing. Funny thing is, I didn't notice any nasty stench... Shocked
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sofa_King wrote:
I think that there is a large difference between Seoul in the winter and Seoul in the summer. In the winter time, the city doesn't smell like rotten kimchi baking in a hot sun. Also, the air pollution becomes terrible in the summer months, and combined with the heat, it can turn ugly.

You've only been here for 6 months during cooler times. Wait for the summer time, and I think you'll understand why a lot of people complain about how filthy it can get.

Also, I'm guessing that a large population of teachers living here are from smaller communities, which always seem much cleaner due to less traffic and people. For me, I'm from the sticks, so Seoul seems much dirtier. You, however, are from Manchester, so the cities may be comparable in pollution (just venturing a guess here).


I'm actually from a rural community in between Manchester and Liverpool - probably not as out-in-the-sticks as somewhere in Canada or New Zealand (England is very similar to Korea in terms of population density) - but it's definitely rural....although I am originally from Manchester.

Even so, pollution in English cities is relatively low because most cars have catalytic converters and there��s almost nothing in the way of heavy or petrochemical industry.

You're quite right in what you say about people from rural very small towns. Anyone reading the board from English-speaking countries planning on coming to Korea needs to think about that, because for the vast majority of people out there - say people from NYC, California, bigger towns and cities - Seoul will seem pretty normal. Posters on here make out you can't breathe or that trash and filth are literally everywhere, which is clearly bollox.
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