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Freedom of Speech...War over cartoons?
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Did the cartoons go too far?
Yes, like Clinton said, they were appalling!
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Yes, but the cartoons weren't that bad
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No, the Muslims overreacted!
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No, the Cartoons didn't go far enough in depicting Mohammad
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fiveeagles



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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great!the cartoons were published in an isreali paper today.as if hamas need more reasons.


Do you have a link? Another French paper published the story. They also added another cartoon...

I can't believe this hasn't died down yet....what's next? A terrorist act in France?

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Mills



Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord wrote:
Mills wrote:
@ everyone,
You have to understand that any depiction of Muhammad (good or bad) is considered blasphemy in Islam.


Only it's not. Worshipping of idols is what's not allowed, not images of the man. In recent years, clerics have increasingly been saying that "do not worship idols" means no pictures, but that's a pretty big jump which I would not agree with.


Idolitry is forbade by the Koran... clerics do not promote pictures of Muhammad to eliminate the chance of any idol worship arising (praying to a picture of Muhammad is idol worship). In Islam, the clerics are God's representatives on earth; what they say goes. If they say pictures = idols, then pictures = idols.

Everyone should take off their cultural blinders when approaching this issue.

To date only protesters have been casualties (to the best of my knowledge).
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More from the Muslim nutters!

Right Wing Muslims (is there any other kind?) are certainly doing a great job THEMSELVES of showing the world what total nutcases they so obviously are. Digging their own graves. If there are any attacks on people because of this, people in the West are going to be seriously pissed off with Muslims and subsequent wars against Muslim nations may not be greeted with as much condemnation.
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fiveeagles



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran has increased the rhetoric over the cartoons.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184583,00.html

Will the other Muslim countries bite?
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



Several postmodern satirists have highlighted the point that -- since no one really knows what Mohammed looked like -- any image could be said to depict him. To that end, they have captioned photos of their thumbs or rudimentary stick figures as "Mohammed."
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were CARTOONS! In this post 9-11 era, satire is perhaps more important than it ever was. I keep hearing that the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people. If that's the case, then LIGHTEN UP. God knows that Jesus has been satirized a time or two. The leading edge of Islam extremism (Al Kaeda, Taliban) would have the faithful go forward into the golden age of the seventh century. Frankly speaking, any organized religion is potentially repressive (with the possible exception of Buddhism), but Islam, without moderates speaking out, is damned dangerous.
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mj roach



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems the most violent protests are in "countries" with the most repressive regimes.

Might have more to do with people feeling oppressed and without hope of making a better life while their rulers:

... go on mega $$ junkets to Harrads, sojourn on the Riviera with retinues of 100, fatten their Swiss # accounts, and pass the future to their progeny.

Haven't seen foreign legations burning in (Muslim) countries where people have a stake in the process and a chance to improve their lot.

The causes of the riots are more similar to those in Watts or Paris rather
than any religious basis. Squeeze people long enough and hard enough....
someting will errupt.

The only possible good to come of the situation would be for the rioters to feel empowered enough to turn their anger on their oppressors.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey a billion people, many quite volatile and dirt poor, don't want to see or hear about their prophet or whatever they hold sacred being satirized so I think it would be stupid to go on provoking them with more of the same. Both sides lose. If the media can't regulate itself to avoid what it now knows is considered by many to be blasphemous in this instance there should be creation of and enforcement of blasphemy laws ...
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Mills



Joined: 07 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mj roach wrote:
Seems the most violent protests are in "countries" with the most repressive regimes.


The violence has been against protesters, at the hands of repressive regimes.

Google "casualties"+"cartoons"

I'm not an Islamic sympathiser, I'm just saying.

*Edit - I hate when I catch an error after I've already posted.
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bigverne



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the media can't regulate itself to avoid what it now knows is considered by many to be blasphemous in this instance there should be creation of and enforcement of blasphemy laws ...


In Muslim states, where 'defaming' the prophet is a crime, they already have such laws. There is no reason why we should enact such laws in the West, simply because Muslims often resort to violence. All ideologies, and '-isms' should be open to criticism, mockery and ridicule. We should not base our laws on the propensity of certain groups to commit acts of violence. That is no way to govern a society. I would never go to a Muslim country, and speak ill of Mohammed or Islam, for it is not the done thing in their culture. They must understand that Westerners do not take such a deferential attitude towards established religion, and they should certainly not try to force their cultural norms on us.
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Mills



Joined: 07 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was in "Stars and Stripes" today;

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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was just published in a Saskatchewan university newspaper, causing heads to roll (figuratively only).
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
This was just published in a Saskatchewan university newspaper, causing heads to roll (figuratively only).


If I didn't have a job, money, friends, an education, a relatively free life, access to information and outside thoughts and opinoins, clean drinking water, health care, reliable transportation, and existence in a tolerant society where I can stare at shorts skirts and F***-me boots all day long, that might have offended me.
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