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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: I've finally settled into Asia Reply with quote

I've finally settled into Asia.

Yesterday, the English teacher came up to me and asked, do you have a schedule for your teaching? I show him what I have (I have always not planned too far in advance, especially at this public school). He then asked for a complete class by class schedule (topics and basics of what you are going to do) not just for this semester, but fall semester too, alluding to giving it to him that day. The scary thing is, I said, "Well, I can have this term to you tomorrow, and the next one the next day." without even blinking an eye. I then started to do it. Not one bit of complaint in my head but now that I am basically finished and bored, I thought about what he really had just asked me to do. Not an small thing and most definitely something that should have been brought to my attention before the start of this term, let alone now. I've been living in Asian countries too long. Back home I would have told my boss (in a nice way) to shove it and give just a bit more advance notice.

I think people who truly adapt to Asia's work habits will probably live a lot longer, as when they go home and see what people there complain about and get stressed about, we will just say, "Ha, that's nothing."
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Angelus



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good outlook. It may add a few years to your life.
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Zark



Joined: 12 May 2003
Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a teacher trainer in Thailand and from the very first day I write on the whiteboard "Flexibility!"

While we do get those kinds of problems - I tend to believe that our overall stress levels are MUCH lower. But. . . maybe you are right - maybe part of it is because we don't have to get all puffed up with assertiveness and positioning. Usually we just chuckle and do it. Done. Forget it.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it depends on my state of mind.

At my last job, the first three years I was able to maintain a balance and manipulate things well enough that I didn't have too much problem with the chaos. The last year I was there, and I don't know why I stopped using the strategies that had been working, I was in one confrontation after another with the boss. The demands were no more outrageous than previously, but I didn't handle them as well.

In my new job, I'm back to my old non-reactive style.

For me, it seems to be related to how rested I am. Before the last job, I was unemployed for about 8 months. Before this one, I was unemployed for exactly 8 months.

I have come to realize that I need fairly lengthy breaks from Korea if I am to calmly handle the idiocy of working here.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: I've finally settled into Asia Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
I've finally settled into Asia.

Yesterday, the English teacher came up to me and asked, do you have a schedule for your teaching? I show him what I have (I have always not planned too far in advance, especially at this public school). He then asked for a complete class by class schedule (topics and basics of what you are going to do) not just for this semester, but fall semester too, alluding to giving it to him that day. The scary thing is, I said, "Well, I can have this term to you tomorrow, and the next one the next day." without even blinking an eye. I then started to do it. Not one bit of complaint in my head but now that I am basically finished and bored, I thought about what he really had just asked me to do. Not an small thing and most definitely something that should have been brought to my attention before the start of this term, let alone now. I've been living in Asian countries too long. Back home I would have told my boss (in a nice way) to shove it and give just a bit more advance notice.

I think people who truly adapt to Asia's work habits will probably live a lot longer, as when they go home and see what people there complain about and get stressed about, we will just say, "Ha, that's nothing."


I would have just sucked air betwen my teeth to make a AISSH sound. Then I would have said "I do not think it possible." (the standard response of everyone at my school when they don't want to do something.)
That's when you are REALLY settled into Asia/Korea's work habits. Laughing Laughing
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: P-L-A-N-N-I-N-G is an 8-letter word Reply with quote

Oops. Posted in the wrong place.

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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: P-L-A-N-N-I-N-G is an 8-letter word Reply with quote

It wasn't just an Oops. It was a double Oops + about 5 Critical Errors thrown in.
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elynnor



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time I get a last minute schedule change at work, I always chuckle and remind myself of the 8 office changes in three years I had to undergo working for a dot.com in Seattle...

I've said to before, if you've ever worked in an office in North America, you quickly realize no place is ever well run, works to any obvious plan, or has employees with a good grasp of their responsibilities. Hagwons aren't much different. Well, I guess the difference is in North America you're always pretty sure you'll get paid at month's end.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Every time I get a last minute schedule change at work, I always chuckle and remind myself of the 8 office changes in three years I had to undergo working for a dot.com in Seattle...

I've said to before, if you've ever worked in an office in North America, you quickly realize no place is ever well run, works to any obvious plan, or has employees with a good grasp of their responsibilities. Hagwons aren't much different. Well, I guess the difference is in North America you're always pretty sure you'll get paid at month's end.


I disagree. I worked in 5 different places during my university degree (all IT) and they were all run quite efficiently. Even the ones at the HRDC and Fisheries and Oceans (Canadian government agencies). I don't know where you worked, but I think you hit the exception. Not all places are as good (I am a good programmer, so had my pick of jobs) as the ones I was in, but comparing it to hagwons, I wouldn't compare normal Korean companies to hagwons.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have given him this:

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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
Every time I get a last minute schedule change at work, I always chuckle and remind myself of the 8 office changes in three years I had to undergo working for a dot.com in Seattle...

I've said to before, if you've ever worked in an office in North America, you quickly realize no place is ever well run, works to any obvious plan, or has employees with a good grasp of their responsibilities. Hagwons aren't much different. Well, I guess the difference is in North America you're always pretty sure you'll get paid at month's end.


I disagree. I worked in 5 different places during my university degree (all IT) and they were all run quite efficiently. Even the ones at the HRDC and Fisheries and Oceans (Canadian government agencies). I don't know where you worked, but I think you hit the exception. Not all places are as good (I am a good programmer, so had my pick of jobs) as the ones I was in, but comparing it to hagwons, I wouldn't compare normal Korean companies to hagwons.


I think you're a lucky one. Nothing in my career or the careers of my friends would indicate any north american office or enterprise is a smoothly run operation. I remember once my friend went from our tax software company to Delrina. He was really happy that finally he was in a company that would do development like they learned at Waterloo. You know sober, rational, textbook stuff. Alas, his dreams were shattered when he found out the size and ostensible success of a company doesn't mean they got it any more together.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angelus wrote:
Good outlook. It may add a few years to your life.
Or, it could take away some years from your life. Too much work really can either kill you or make an old man/woman out of you. That, along with too much drinking and smoking can REALLY hurt you. I like Asia but not their work, work, work mentality. Most people in the states or Canada could never work 2 years with no sick days, like I, and probably many others ,have done.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

princess wrote:
Angelus wrote:
Good outlook. It may add a few years to your life.
Or, it could take away some years from your life. Too much work really can either kill you or make an old man/woman out of you. That, along with too much drinking and smoking can REALLY hurt you. I like Asia but not their work, work, work mentality. Most people in the states or Canada could never work 2 years with no sick days, like I, and probably many others ,have done.


Who needs sick days when you don't get sick? I haven't been sick yet (a minor cough once) and haven't needed them (even though I have 15 sick days in my contract). The fact that I got 5 weeks of vacation though last winter was nice too.

I agree that Asians work too LONG, not HARD (from seeing Japan, China and Korea, don't know about the more southern Asian countries). But what I did wasn't working too hard. It wasn't well thought out, but I did have the time to do it and didn't stay after school or bring it home. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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