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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:36 am Post subject:

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:

Satori wrote:

Lyrt wrote:

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The message is recepted thusly: black is dull, white is hip.

You�re incorrect.

Hmmm, didn't see this pic in the OPs post. This complicates the issue abit. The pic in the OP, if it was the only image of the campaign, did look suspect. Now, I guess we have real disscussion on our hands...

There's no copy accompanying it. I think I read that it's on Sony's website, or part of a magazine spread. Regardless, the UK billboard was stand-alone.

AND it's still a terrible f*cking idea, using skin colors to symbolize a video game system.

Sparkles*_*

I agree. I'm unsure whether it's incredibly naive and un-thought-through marketing or active racism. Either way, marketing is a science these days, and the guys that do this stuff are paid well enough, they should not be f*ing up like this...

Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:48 am Post subject:

Satori wrote:

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:

Satori wrote:

Lyrt wrote:

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The message is recepted thusly: black is dull, white is hip.

You�re incorrect.

Agreed. And it's not the the first time Sony has been criticized recently for racist advertising.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0WvDT_D1Vs&search=psp%20squirrel

Sparkles*_*

mindmetoo

Joined: 02 Feb 2004

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:34 am Post subject:

cdninkorea wrote:

mindmetoo wrote:

Man, first Cristal comes out 'n' disses their black consumers and now...

Hip-hop culture and black culture are not synonymous terms. For one, the demographic that buys more rap and hip-hop CDs than any other is rich white males between the ages of 18-24.

Second, there are lots of black people who don't fit under the hip-hop category. I doubt Cristal would mind if Bill Cosby, Colin Powell, Oprah, Thomas Sowell, Hines Ward, etc. liked their champagne. What they're taking issue with is the hip-hop subculture.

You might be thinking: "okay, okay, what's the big deal? Why is this stupid Canuck flying off the handle about this?"
Because whenever I criticize hip-hop culture (and I do) I get called 'racist." But hip-hop is not a race, it's a sub-culture. If anything I'm sub-cultureist, and I have nothing against black people as a whole.

It would seem Jay Z makes it a race issue, not a hip hop culture issue.

cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:34 am Post subject:

huffdaddy wrote:

yup, at least 7 % of blacks are Republican. see here

Hmm... okay, I stand corrected on that one.

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Freeing the Confederate's slaves. Very effective.

I don't see what that has to do with it. He set millions of black people free.
The US constitution doesn't even give the President the legal power to free slaves- Lincoln could only do it as the commander in chief in enemy territory during war time (the South). Furthermore, he did it in spite of great opposition from the general population, Congress, the Supreme Court, etcetera.
If you want more information on this, here is a good article, written by one of my favourite economists (if it matters, which it shouldn't, he's black).

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You mean this:
By Party
The Original House Version:

Democratic Party: 153-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate Version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

In fact, more Democrats voted for it. Okay, so percentagewise, the Republicans got them beat. But take away the Dixiecrats and it's back in the Dems favor. Not to mention the President who pushed it through.

True, but more Democrats also voted against it. That's why I favour looking at the percentages.
I'll give you the point about the Democrat president.

But even if every Democrat voted for it, making their vote count in favour of the Act overwhelmingly greater than the Republicans, that doesn't make the Republicans a wholly anti-black party, as Worldwide suggests.
At best it puts us back with nothing but Worldwide's evocative but completely unsubstantiated claim:

Worldwide wrote:

No No, you got it wrong. George W. Bush doesn't like black people....or rather hates them.... Even better the entire republican party hates them.

(boldface mine)

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:15 am Post subject:

I don't know about the party, but it appears republican voters don't like black people much. There was a study done, where people had to make snap judgements about pictures they were shown, it was designed to assess instinctive rather than intellectualised racial bias. It was correlated with voting pattern. Republicans showed a strong tendency to be anti black while democrats did not...Sorry I don't have the details, so I'll be shouted down, but I do remember reading about it and it was a legit survey and rigourously carried out, passed peer review and all that...

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:26 am Post subject:

cdninkorea wrote:

huffdaddy wrote:

Freeing the Confederate's slaves. Very effective.

Okay, so I was a little too glib. Lincoln's commitment to the cause got him assassinated. Still, freeing your enemies slaves isn't the be all and end all.

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True, but more Democrats also voted against it. That's why I favour looking at the percentages.
I'll give you the point about the Democrat president.

Yes, albeit that has to do with the Southern Democrats. Who were still anti-Lincoln/Republican Democrats and are only now starting to turn Republican.

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At best it puts us back with nothing but Worldwide's evocative but completely unsubstantiated claim:

Worldwide wrote:

No No, you got it wrong. George W. Bush doesn't like black people....or rather hates them.... Even better the entire republican party hates them.

(boldface mine)

An exageration, I agree. I'd say that it's not the blacks that all Republicans hate, but rather all poor people. Although, it's ironic that favoritism (aka Affirmitive Action) is now a bad thing, while favoritism (Jim Crow) in the past was okay.

Zulu

Joined: 28 Apr 2006

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject:

Benicio wrote:

And Worldwide hates all Americans.

He won't even sell his Ipod to one.

Really?

So let me get this. The Worldwide dude thinks it's ok to own an American high tech product from an American company, but not to sell it to an American?

Sir, surely you jest?

cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:03 am Post subject:

huffdaddy wrote:

Okay, so I was a little too glib. Lincoln's commitment to the cause got him assassinated. Still, freeing your enemies slaves isn't the be all and end all.

I didn't say it was, but it's pretty good evidence that the Republican party doesn't hate black people.

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Yes, albeit that has to do with the Southern Democrats. Who were still anti-Lincoln/Republican Democrats and are only now starting to turn Republican.

Worldwide didn't make any distinction between Southern and Northern Republicans or Democrats- he made a blanket statement about the entire Republican party.

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I'm afraid I don't see the irony in this. Jim Crow laws were considered okay, but then people (some, anyway) realized they weren't and they were repealed. Affirmitive Action is the same in principle as Jim Crow (the principle being collectivism), just applied in reverse.

Anyway, at least we can agree that Worldwide exaggerated (although I wonder if he sees it that way...)

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:49 am Post subject:

cdninkorea wrote:

huffdaddy wrote:

Okay, so I was a little too glib. Lincoln's commitment to the cause got him assassinated. Still, freeing your enemies slaves isn't the be all and end all.

I didn't say it was, but it's pretty good evidence that the Republican party doesn't hate black people.

Well, you mean "didn't hate blacks". Maybe try pulling up Rice or Powell for a little more contemporary evidence.

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Yes, albeit that has to do with the Southern Democrats. Who were still anti-Lincoln/Republican Democrats and are only now starting to turn Republican.

Worldwide didn't make any distinction between Southern and Northern Republicans or Democrats- he made a blanket statement about the entire Republican party.

Just because some Democrats hate blacks, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Republicans hate blacks.

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It's just that Jim Crow still exists, de facto, and most of the people opposed to AA like it that way.

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Anyway, at least we can agree that Worldwide exaggerated (although I wonder if he sees it that way...)

Agreed that he exaggerated. I actually know a few Republicans in Chicago. Not many, but a few.

riley

Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject:

Sony pulled the ad.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060712/od_nm/videogames_ad_dc;_ylt=Aks8nYSuV3pZnE.pJXK8qPCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-

What I found weird was this.

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Sony said that the Netherlands campaign intended to highlight the color contrast between the existing black PSP and the new ceramic white PSP.

Instead, the ad campaign riled California Assemblyman Leland Yee, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)

Why was an American complaining about a Dutch ad? Shouldn't the Dutch decide if the Dutch ad is racist?

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