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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: teaching other teacher's kids/privates at a public school? Reply with quote

I was just approached to teach a fellow ( Korean ) teacher's son and his friend... twice a week... one hour classes... in the teacher's home.

The legality of teaching in the teacher's home is distressing, I will attempt to negotiate teaching at the school and getting the legitimacy/legality ironed out as much as possible.

Supposedly the kids are basic middle school level. The mom has suggested 200,000 per month (about 8 hours) for her son (she drives me to work everyday too)... is this a reasonable rate? Should I ask the same amount for the other student as well.


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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't do it if I where you. Should something go afoul you can bet your details will be zinging there way to immigration in a flat second. What I would do is find another waygook to foist the kid off onto. A waygook that gives out a bogus name for teaching privates.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crapping where you eat is never a good idea. Besides, for two kids, you should be getting at least 320 for that number of hours. Take cabs to work. You are about to get used.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is like dating your hot, blond 25 year old French boss. Seems like a good idea at the time, but trust me, bites you in the behind later.

And then it causes all kinds of trouble
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got offered another one. I mentioned the legality issue and was told that this is a secret... doh... it's my first actual day of work here. That's 3 students... doh doh doh... I already tenatively agreed. It really doesn't sound as if they want to go the legitimate route.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: teaching other teacher's kids? Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
Supposedly the kids are basic middle school level. The mom has suggested 200,000 per month (about 8 hours) for her son (she drives me to work everyday too)... is this a reasonable rate? Should I ask the same amount for the other student as well.


FWIW, my gf (Korean) gets up to 250,000 for 12 hours a month of one-on-ones. Most privates listed on the internet for FTs are offering 300,000+ for 8 hours. Of course, it's all up to you to decide what your time and risk of being nabbed are worth.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your boss okay with you teaching these kids? It seems like direct competition with the hogwon, not to mention the fact the teachers there apparently don't think it's worth enrolling their own kids. What does that say about the school? In any case, make sure you have the permission of the institution because there is no chance of this being kept a secret.
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's at a public school.

What would I have to do to get these to be legitimate lessons?

I really don't mind the rate so much, I like the chance at being able to implement/use my own teaching style and curriculuum.

It's a great little school though and a super cushy job, I would hate to lose it and get deported.

Rolling Eyes
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it legal if I teach the lessons at my school? I have heard that this is the case at hagwons?
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

200.000/8 = 25.000

a bit cheap if you calc that 1 hour of private takes 1 hour of preaparations

200.000/16 = 12.500

But price setting in your situation is a bit more "person dependent".
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flutieflakes



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i taught teachers' kids for over 2 years.............no problems ever, they all knew it was illegal but nobody said anything...........for all i know, the whole school may have known, didn't care, nothing ever happened......
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
This is like dating your hot, blond 25 year old French boss. Seems like a good idea at the time, but trust me, bites you in the behind later.

And then it causes all kinds of trouble


Excellent way to put it, eh.

Carry on.

R
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Benbby



Joined: 06 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If so many people need to learn English in Seoul, with the ensuing risk, why aren't the rates to teach privates higher? Way higher?
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chaz47



Joined: 11 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

technically i will be teaching at two schools... i went to the other one today for the first time... the same thing happened... i don't really care about the money but i want to be able to do my own thing... seriously...

what was that stuff about being able to take a language test to gain the equivalent of an E-7 visa in Japan that Mithridates was talking about? Korea needs a policy like that... what desire could anyone have to learn the language of a country where you will forever be a contract employee/resident unless you marry into the culture... and even then it sounds as if you are suspect in the eyes of many bureacrats...

ok

rambling and venting a bit
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benbby wrote:
If so many people need to learn English in Seoul, with the ensuing risk, why aren't the rates to teach privates higher? Way higher?


Because the average hakwon gets about 5000 won per student per hour in a classroom. 12 students in a class means 60k won per hour in income for 1 hour of foreigner salary.

If you have to pay more than 60k won per hour for a private class you might as well arrange private one on one classes at a hakwon at your convenience. Some adult hakwons charge less (40-50k per hour for one-one with a foreigner).

People doing privates are still in competition with their employeers.

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