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I did it! I beat my shady, corrupt, filthy liar of a boss!!!
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stakay



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: I did it! I beat my shady, corrupt, filthy liar of a boss!!! Reply with quote

Boy have I had a few chuckles this week. I used to work at one of those infamous 'W' hogwans, and I've written here a few times in the past couple of months about receiving severance and my refund of the stupid housing deposit.

Well this week we, my fiance and I, got every single penny owed out of our scumbag boss!!!! Woo bloody hoo!! Laughing

Was not an easy feat, if you're thinking it was, because we did it while living in London.

I publicly thank a special Scottish lady, who may or may not read this board, as she acted as our power of attorney by attending meetings and making phone calls to the labour board on our behalf. Without her this wouldn't have happened. What a legend she is.

So there you go. You can do it, you can get your money owed if you've already left Korea.

One point for the lowly foreign hogwan teacher, zero for the lying cheating hogwan owner.

Good luck to anyone who finds themself in this unfortunate position.

And a huge cheers to my Scottish angel Very Happy
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats!

most shady hogwans rely on the fact that you are leaving the country and will be unable to pursue any action against them.

Way to go!
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, good job. If only more hagwon teachers had as much initiative as you and the Scottish lady, fewer hagwon owners would pull such stunts.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VERY good news.

Oh, and hogwan owners do talk amongst themselves, (ala Linda Richman Laughing ). This could help others.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny, I wrote this and through a majority of the next posts got shot down about the benefits of advocacy.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=64172&highlight=
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I get ran out of town I will be sure to let you know Chem. That lady sounds superb.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her I thougt it was going to mean " I beat him with a stick, or a bamboo sword" or something along those lines.
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korea252



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul, Haebangchon

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Stakay. It was no bother.
A big thanks should also go to Mr.Hong at the labour board, he was so helpful and made the whole process really easy and painless. He also came and found me when I got lost going to the labour board and then walked me to the bus stop and waited with me to make sure I got the right bus home! Nice guy.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations. Well done. I've been wondering for a while now if Korean Hagwons ACTUALLY pay any money owing/damages that are ordered by the Labor Board.
In my country, debtors and sneaky operators just don't pay the damages ordered by the court. Or they just pay one small installment and then you have to go back to court and repeat the legal process all over again. Sometimes, if you want your money it's better to hire a 'debt collector' (gang) to collect your dues. Can anyone advise if the Korean Labor Board decisions are observed (and money paid) by hagwon owners?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainbowtrout wrote:
Congratulations. Well done. I've been wondering for a while now if Korean Hagwons ACTUALLY pay any money owing/damages that are ordered by the Labor Board.
In my country, debtors and sneaky operators just don't pay the damages ordered by the court. Or they just pay one small installment and then you have to go back to court and repeat the legal process all over again. Sometimes, if you want your money it's better to hire a 'debt collector' (gang) to collect your dues. Can anyone advise if the Korean Labor Board decisions are observed (and money paid) by hagwon owners?


The labor board has no authority to ENFORCE its decisions in regards to award payments.

Having said that however, the board does have the authority to begin CRIMINAL proceedings against a hakwon for breach of the labor laws.

The fines and jail time involved with the criminal proceeding are usually far more severe than the financial loss if the hakwon has to pay an award ordered by the board.

With this implied (or sometimes overt) threat the board can be very persuasive when it comes to getting a settlement.

To the OP (and your agent) - congrats on your success.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations, and it's nice to see people help each other out here.

I don't often post on Job-related, but that thread title... almost sounded like there was physical violence. Shocked

Is "W" code for that rather notorious chain of hagwons? If so, why not spell it out? They can't hurt you know, can they?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Congratulations, and it's nice to see people help each other out here.

I don't often post on Job-related, but that thread title... almost sounded like there was physical violence. Shocked

Is "W" code for that rather notorious chain of hagwons? If so, why not spell it out? They can't hurt you know, can they?


actually...."W" is surprisingly enough not the infamous Wonderland chain but the new name of the financially and morally bankrupt chain AKA - EWHA - chain of hakwons.

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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats to you both!

and..

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If only more hagwon teachers had as much initiative as you and the Scottish lady, fewer hagwon owners would pull such stunts.


I agree with this.

You did good OP and such actions have a real positive impact (or at least the potential). This was good work and way stick it out and act through the legal system. Very Happy
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was nice to hear. Did the hagwon owner actually lose anything, or did he merely have to pay what you deserved?

Unless he was penalized somehow, beyond merely paying what he owed, then that hardly deters hagwon owners from continuing to rip off foreign teachers, since they will not really lose anything by trying to rip people off, and sometimes get to keep cash.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But jajdude...it sets a legal precedent or ads to an already set legal precedent. This can and does lead to changes.
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