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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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 Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: Teaching 'ESL' in Korea |
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Yes, I know it doesn't really matter to 99% of people in the industry in Korea, but if I was on a hiring commitee somewhere and had applicants claiming to have taught 'ESL' in Korea (or Japan, China, etc) I would have serious doubts about them. And I realise that this would probably include Dave Sperling.
Am I the only one with inappropriately strong feelings about this?
For the record I teach EAP at the moment, but not in Korea.
I can't believe I'm actually making a poll about this. So pathetic |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching 'ESL' in Korea |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
Am I the only one with inappropriately strong feelings about this?
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I sure as hell don't give a toss. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Its pretty sad when we can't agree on a word for what we do. I think we should make one. Tingle. "I tingle people". |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching 'ESL' in Korea |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| I sure as hell don't give a toss. |
Somehow I'm not surprised that an anti-intellectual such as yourself isn't concerned about pedantry such as this.
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| Its pretty sad when we can't agree on a word for what we do. I think we should make one. Tingle. "I tingle people". |
It certainly is an attractive suggestion, but is all tingling equivalent? For example, might we not tingle people differently when they have no opportunities to be tingled through immersion outside of the classroom? Might not people in Korea have different tingling needs to people in countries where English is spoken? Do we tingle resettled refugees the same as we tingle Japanese who just need some tingling before they go travelling? You get the idea.
Edit: in NZ it's ESOL - English for Speakers of Other Languages. |
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hellsbells
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| You do seem to be posting a lot these days gang ah jee. You bored over there or something? |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| hellsbells wrote: |
| You do seem to be posting a lot these days gang ah jee. You bored over there or something? |
It's not boredom, it's procrastination. Why haven't I heard from you before now? |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I teach EFL with a smattering of ESP courses thrown in. Better?
For those that are truly confused, click here. Some things don't apply to here, but you'll get the gist. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| How about English as a New Language or English Language Development? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I found that in the US, at least where I'm from, a lot of employers have no clue what ESL or EFL are.
It makes the interviews so much fun:
Them: "So you worked..." (Moving resume back and forth and widening his/her eyes as if it's hard to read) "...in Korea? What's EFL?"
Me: "English as a Foreign Language"
Them: "Wow, that's great! Well, I can't use this reference because it's in Korea...I don't think they'll use English"
Me: "Actually, my former boss speaks quite fluently. The other one is an Australian I worked with"
Them: "Ah, OK...Well, we'll be conducting more interviews, and we'll be making calls next week"
Me: "Why don't you just admit that you have no clue about anything outside of your realm of weekend football, pork rinds, working, and taking a shit twice a day?" (What I've wanted to say before) |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| I found that in the US, at least where I'm from, a lot of employers have no clue what ESL or EFL are. |
That's not for position teaching ENL/ELD (thanks OiGirl) though is it? I was meaning more in the sense of intra-professional situations. If I was on a hiring commitee in any other field I wouldn't hire any of the English teaching freaks no matter what acronym they put on their worthless stinking resumes. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| I found that in the US, at least where I'm from, a lot of employers have no clue what ESL or EFL are. |
That's not for position teaching ENL/ELD (thanks OiGirl) though is it? I was meaning more in the sense of intra-professional situations. If I was on a hiring commitee in any other field I wouldn't hire any of the English teaching freaks no matter what acronym they put on their worthless stinking resumes. |
I can't believe you think other people in other fields even know about teaching English as a second/foreign language, let alone follow it enough to realize there are a lot of weirdos and that Korea is the pit of losers WITH DEGREES (as there are other pits) for the field.
At best, they will ask why you took a break or went to a foreign country. Seriously, most people will just sort of gloss over it as they would know very little about it at all. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| I found that in the US, at least where I'm from, a lot of employers have no clue what ESL or EFL are. |
That's not for position teaching ENL/ELD (thanks OiGirl) though is it? |
Not in my experience. When I taught ESL in the States, the person in charge of hiring ESL teachers knew the acronyms and understood and valued the idea that sometimes we work abroad. They often hired people straight from a stint in Korea. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| At best, they will ask why you took a break or went to a foreign country. Seriously, most people will just sort of gloss over it as they would know very little about it at all. |
I'm going to take it further and say that those people probably can't tell Pyoungtaek from Pattaya and having 'Taught Children in Korea' scrawled all over your resume probably won't impress them overmuch.
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| Not in my experience. When I taught ESL in the States, the person in charge of hiring ESL teachers knew the acronyms and understood and valued the idea that sometimes we work abroad. They often hired people straight from a stint in Korea. |
That's how it is here too. Claiming ESL experience in Asia would raise eyebrows.
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| At best, they will ask why you took a break or went to a foreign country. Seriously, most people will just sort of gloss over it as they would know very little about it at all. |
I'm going to take it further and say that those people probably can't tell Pyoungtaek from Pattaya and having 'Taught Children in Korea' scrawled all over your resume probably won't impress them. |
If they could, I would be impressed  But it's more the Korea part that would impress assuming you have a good reason for "Why did you do that?", not the teaching part to most, just because most can't grasp the concept of it, nor need to.
Now if you had teaching kids in Thailand on your resume, that might ellicit a few questions ... |
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