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huffdaddy
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 Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: 9/11 Conspiracy Proof? |
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| Maybe I missed it somewhere. For the most part, I'm not interested in the back and forth banter between 9/11 battlers. Why? Because most 9/11 conspirators don't offer any proof of their story. e.g. where are the interviews with the guys who wired the WTCs? I doubt that there are very many people in the world who could pull such a job off. Where are they and where are their stories? Where are the witnesses who saw the buildings being wired for demolition? Having worked in a high rise office building, I don't see how that much explosive could be rigged up without anyone noticing. Where's the Deep Throat who is leaking the inside scoop? Surely someone involved would have a conscious or at least a bone to pick. In short, where is the evidence to support your chain of events? Where's your case? Trying to find holes in a once-in-a-lifetime (hopefully) event doesn't qualify as proof that your theory is correct. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: |
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People tend to make fanciful accusations because it provides instant gratification. For some, it justifies their personal opinions about George W. Bush ("he is/isn't the anti-christ") and the US ("we are untouchable, ipso facto, it was an inside job" or "they hate us for our freedom").
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some waygug-in
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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There is far more proof that you are a disinformation artist and a liar. |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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So don't believe me, but watch the videos.
Are you saying that all these people are lying?
Ask structural engineer Charles Pegelow what he thinks.
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=108
Third link |
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noguri
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Proof? |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| where are the interviews with the guys who wired the WTCs? I doubt that there are very many people in the world who could pull such a job off. |
Where's the proof that there isn't a conspiracy? A document penned by one of the hijackers was found in the trunk of a rental car. Anyone could have written that. Is that proof that the hijackers really flew the planes?
Here's the conspiracy: A bunch of Saudi religious fanatics ride an airplane into a U.S. civilian target. The U.S. declares war on Iraq. Although none of the hijackers was an Iraqi.
In other words, the event is engineered in order to create a war that makes Halliburton the wealthiest company on the planet and gives increased power to Bush's regime and its backers, just short of martial law. Uh, I don't think I used the word anti-Christ. I said "increased powers just short of martial law."
Anyone can operate a drone airplane. It is operated from the ground. No wires in the building necessary.
As we know from history, the contacts between the Bush family and the Saudis were already extensive. The Bushes could easily request and receive a busload of Saudis brainwashed in Wahabi Islam, who were told they would be hijackers. The plane itself need not be piloted by the hijackers on board.
The people at Halliburton [and Cheney and Rumsfeld themselves] have declined to fess up on tape. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Proof? |
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| noguri wrote: |
| huffdaddy wrote: |
| where are the interviews with the guys who wired the WTCs? I doubt that there are very many people in the world who could pull such a job off. |
Where's the proof that there isn't a conspiracy? A document penned by one of the hijackers was found in the trunk of a rental car. Anyone could have written that. Is that proof that the hijackers really flew the planes?
Here's the conspiracy: A bunch of Saudi religious fanatics ride an airplane into a U.S. civilian target. The U.S. declares war on Iraq. Although none of the hijackers was an Iraqi.
In other words, the event is engineered in order to create a war that makes Halliburton the wealthiest company on the planet and gives increased power to Bush's regime and its backers, just short of martial law. Uh, I don't think I used the word anti-Christ. I said "increased powers just short of martial law."
Anyone can operate a drone airplane. It is operated from the ground. No wires in the building necessary.
As we know from history, the contacts between the Bush family and the Saudis were already extensive. The Bushes could easily request and receive a busload of Saudis brainwashed in Wahabi Islam, who were told they would be hijackers. The plane itself need not be piloted by the hijackers on board.
The people at Halliburton [and Cheney and Rumsfeld themselves] have declined to fess up on tape. |
Errr you make a lot of assumptions. You're making the "Argument from final Consequences" fallacy. 9/11 had many effects but you're arguing a handful of the effects (ie Bush has license to invade Iraq) are, in fact, the cause. 9/11 made the oil companies extremely rich. Maybe they blew up the WTC? 9/11 made everyone hate arabs. Maybe the catholic church and the jews blew up the WTC.
C'mon. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I guess that Popular Mechanics nail in the coffin didn't sway you huh? |
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Wangja
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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haha!!
Not quite. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: |
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No proof of any foul play offered.
Watched parts 2 and 3. No proof of any conspiracy. Just conjecture.
Didn't listen to this one. But based on your other links, and this guys resume, I don't think I'll waste the hour.
Again, I'm looking for evidence of the conspiracy. Not conjecture or conspiracy theories. Evidence. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Proof? |
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| noguri wrote: |
| huffdaddy wrote: |
| where are the interviews with the guys who wired the WTCs? I doubt that there are very many people in the world who could pull such a job off. |
Where's the proof that there isn't a conspiracy? |
Airplanes hit buildings - undeniable.
Buildings collapse - undeniable.
Occam's Razor states that the airplane crashes caused the buildings to collapse. If you want to weave an alternative theory, I'll need to see some proof. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:31 am Post subject: Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Proof? |
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| noguri wrote: |
| huffdaddy wrote: |
| where are the interviews with the guys who wired the WTCs? I doubt that there are very many people in the world who could pull such a job off. |
Where's the proof that there isn't a conspiracy? A document penned by one of the hijackers was found in the trunk of a rental car. Anyone could have written that. Is that proof that the hijackers really flew the planes?
Here's the conspiracy: A bunch of Saudi religious fanatics ride an airplane into a U.S. civilian target. The U.S. declares war on Iraq. Although none of the hijackers was an Iraqi.
In other words, the event is engineered in order to create a war that makes Halliburton the wealthiest company on the planet and gives increased power to Bush's regime and its backers, just short of martial law. Uh, I don't think I used the word anti-Christ. I said "increased powers just short of martial law."
Anyone can operate a drone airplane. It is operated from the ground. No wires in the building necessary.
As we know from history, the contacts between the Bush family and the Saudis were already extensive. The Bushes could easily request and receive a busload of Saudis brainwashed in Wahabi Islam, who were told they would be hijackers. The plane itself need not be piloted by the hijackers on board.
The people at Halliburton [and Cheney and Rumsfeld themselves] have declined to fess up on tape. |
Or, how about this...Some terrorists fly a couple of planes in some buildings. Naturally, people are shocked and angry and give Bush the support he needs to do what he had always wanted to do: get Saddam. Halliburtion, being the well connected military contractor that it is, makes billions on the war. This proves that they jumped opportinities as they presented themselves, but it offers no concrete evidence that the consipiracy didn't begin and end with Al Quaeda.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:41 am Post subject: |
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lying or stupid, or whackos. Just like Michal Rivero and the rest.
I can show you lots of engineers who disagree. Why believe your guy more? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
lying or stupid, or whackos. Just like Michal Rivero and the rest.
I can show you lots of engineers who disagree. Why believe your guy more? |
Really? Let's hear from some of them. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Proof? |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| noguri wrote: |
| huffdaddy wrote: |
| where are the interviews with the guys who wired the WTCs? I doubt that there are very many people in the world who could pull such a job off. |
Where's the proof that there isn't a conspiracy? A document penned by one of the hijackers was found in the trunk of a rental car. Anyone could have written that. Is that proof that the hijackers really flew the planes?
Here's the conspiracy: A bunch of Saudi religious fanatics ride an airplane into a U.S. civilian target. The U.S. declares war on Iraq. Although none of the hijackers was an Iraqi.
In other words, the event is engineered in order to create a war that makes Halliburton the wealthiest company on the planet and gives increased power to Bush's regime and its backers, just short of martial law. Uh, I don't think I used the word anti-Christ. I said "increased powers just short of martial law."
Anyone can operate a drone airplane. It is operated from the ground. No wires in the building necessary.
As we know from history, the contacts between the Bush family and the Saudis were already extensive. The Bushes could easily request and receive a busload of Saudis brainwashed in Wahabi Islam, who were told they would be hijackers. The plane itself need not be piloted by the hijackers on board.
The people at Halliburton [and Cheney and Rumsfeld themselves] have declined to fess up on tape. |
Or, how about this...Some terrorists fly a couple of planes in some buildings. Naturally, people are shocked and angry and give Bush the support he needs to do what he had always wanted to do: get Saddam. Halliburtion, being the well connected military that it is, makes billions on the war. This proves that they jumped opportonities when they presented themselves, but it offers no concrete proof that the consipiracy didn't begin and end with Al Quaeda. |
Ask Karl Scharz what kind of proof there is.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6032507852941583054&q=karl+schwarz&hl=en
Why was there such a rush to destroy all the wreckage from the buildings before any real examinations could be done?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&q=mit+engineer+wtc&hl=en
So what about the three studies that he sites, which all refute the pancake theory?
Jim Hoffman, Weidlinger and Associates and also
the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
This guy is not just flying on his own here.
Dr. Robert Bowman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6X_r4DppWk&mode=related&search=
Hear Michael Chussudovsky on the subject;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4cNFMEl4DM
You may find this site of interest as well.
http://911proof.com/7.html
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