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fiveeagles

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Junior

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Looks like a clear choice between
a)Having talks and continuing to prop up NK
b)refusing talks, applying sanctions..and being ready for war |
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fiveeagles

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: |
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I had this dream a few months ago,
Last month, I had a dream that I was in a prayer house, praying with many others. I had a deep sense of dread that we were going to be attacked. So I ran outside to see what was happening and to my horror, I saw battleships on the coast preparing to invade our country(I dont know which country I was in). I ran to the outskirts of the city and found that many people were actually spies and working with the enemy. They were preparing to attack the people when the battleships invaded. I ran home and everyone was lost in prayer. When I entered the house, the house came under attack by enemy fire. I quickly ran outside where people were being killed by the spies. This is when I woke up.
Wars, What are they good for? |
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Junior

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Threatening to fire a missile signals the final steps in the breakdown of talking.
Think of it as your S.O. threatening to sleep with someone else, unless you comply with their demands. The threat alone can be taken as seriously as if it had already been carried out... |
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EFLtrainer

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Or, one could consider it to be what it is thus far: an empty threat designed to do exactly what they stated, which is to be seen as an "equal" to bring the US to face-to-face negotiations.
NK knows that if they fire a missile, they die. It would make the invasion of Iraq look like child's play. Every possible NK gov't. and/or military target would be hit. Simultaneously. And China will be in on it, though perhaps from behind the velvet curtain.
They know this. |
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Hollywoodaction
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't take those threats too seriously. You're right in saying they are trying to act like equals to the US. One lousy nuclear test and it goes to their head (kind of like a 16 year old who's been going to the gym for a couple of months).
It's nothing new. North Korea has always been arrogant because they were the most developped half in the peninsula after the war. They simply haven't accepted the fact that the South became the richer half in the mid 70's. The South's wealth has also made it possible for the government to build up its military so that it far surpases the North's (South Korea has M-1 tanks, whereas the North still uses the old T-34s (think a tractor with a canon)).
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huffdaddy
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:57 am Post subject: |
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I had this dream a few months ago,
[i]Last month, I had a dream that I was in a prayer house, praying with many others. I had a deep sense of dread that we were going to be attacked. So I ran outside to see what was happening and to my horror, I saw battleships on the coast preparing to invade our country(I dont know which country I was in). |
Not from North Korea. They don't have any battleships.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/navy.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/ship.htm |
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fiveeagles

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Worse case scenario...if they sack Seoul and the surrounding area, they then have battleships and such.
Anyway, when I said battleships, it was pretty general. I am not familiar with warships. |
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fiveeagles

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
I wouldn't take those threats too seriously. You're right in saying they are trying to act like equals to the US. One lousy nuclear test and it goes to their head (kind of like a 16 year old who's been going to the gym for a couple of months).
It's nothing new. North Korea has always been arrogant because they were the most developped half in the peninsula after the war. They simply haven't accepted the fact that the South became the richer half in the mid 70's. The South's wealth has also made it possible for the government to build up its military so that it far surpases the North's (South Korea has M-1 tanks, whereas the North still uses the old T-34s (think a tractor with a canon)). |
Like I have said before in other threads. This looks like it is being staged by Iran, Venezuela and South Korea. China and Russia gain with the US's instability and are only playing the part. |
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brento1138
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
I had this dream a few months ago,
Last month, I had a dream that I was in a prayer house, praying with many others. I had a deep sense of dread that we were going to be attacked. So I ran outside to see what was happening and to my horror, I saw battleships on the coast preparing to invade our country(I dont know which country I was in). I ran to the outskirts of the city and found that many people were actually spies and working with the enemy. They were preparing to attack the people when the battleships invaded. I ran home and everyone was lost in prayer. When I entered the house, the house came under attack by enemy fire. I quickly ran outside where people were being killed by the spies. This is when I woke up.
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Interesting dream. I've had multiple dreams about dying in or seeing a nuclear explosion, walking through a destroyed city, commandos etc. All before I ever even knew I was coming to Korea. I had more dreams than the ones I am posting...
I don't want to turn this into a dream thread, but dreams do interest me a bit, and you've shared yours, so... the first three dreams here are ones I had in Canada, way before I ever came to Korea. The last two were ones I had in Korea. I wrote them down...
- I was standing on a hill with my good friend. It was in Fall, when the leaves were dying. We felt lots of heat on our faces, and went closer to the edge of the hill. At first, I thought it was a volcano. But then I realised it was a nuclear bomb explosion, destroying the area below and away from us. I then realised we'd probably get hit by the radiation, and die a slow, painful death.
- I was working with my friend Pat in a bakery in a mountain. We had just made some chocolate cake. The radio was on, and had mentioned that the communists have declared war on the USA. I thought that was odd, since Russia wasn't communist anymore. Then, I looked out the window and saw this red really futuristic jet just hovering there. It had a star on it, and I remembered North Korea and China are still communist. It dropped a bomb and the flash of light ended my dream.
- I was a child and was playing in the yard. My mom and sister were there, in the house, and I heard my mom say "Oh ****" and I looked up and saw a bright flash of light and then a mushroom cloud. Instinctively, I ran away from the mushroom cloud and into my house. The dream ended.
Now for the ones I had in Korea:
- I was standing outside my hakwon with others, and it was dark. The air raid sirens were going. My co-teacher Debbie said it was just a drill. But then I noticed a bunch of white streaks in the sky, missiles, falling towards the city. Then the dream ended.
- I was walking through a destroyed city, Daegu, Korea. Everything had burnt down, and there was nobody on the streets. White snow was falling from the sky, but then I realised, it wasn't snow, it was white ashes of some sort. Then I thought how I could survive, and how I would soon die of radiation poisoning. I cursed myself for ever coming here.
Heh, I honestly don't live in fear, but somewhere in that subconcious mind of mine, I think something is a bit afraid of nuclear weapons. I think watching that Terminator 2 movie made me think of nukes and how scary they were when I was just an 11 year old kid... I remember asking my parents and grandmother if a nuke could really destroy and entire city. Ever since, it's haunted my dreams a bit...  |
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W.T.Carl
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Let the norks fire a missle. Then watch NK turn into a glow in the dark parking lot. |
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Hollywoodaction
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't take those threats too seriously. You're right in saying they are trying to act like equals to the US. One lousy nuclear test and it goes to their head (kind of like a 16 year old who's been going to the gym for a couple of months).
It's nothing new. North Korea has always been arrogant because they were the most developped half in the peninsula after the war. They simply haven't accepted the fact that the South became the richer half in the mid 70's. The South's wealth has also made it possible for the government to build up its military so that it far surpases the North's (South Korea has M-1 tanks, whereas the North still uses the old T-34s (think a tractor with a canon)). |
Like I have said before in other threads. This looks like it is being staged by Iran, Venezuela and South Korea. China and Russia gain with the US's instability and are only playing the part. |
One of my theories is that North Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons of their own, but instead are taking advantage of geopolitical factors by entering the business of testing nuclear weapons for rogue states, such as Iran. |
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Junior

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Let the norks fire a missle. Then watch NK turn into a glow in the dark parking lot. |
Exactly. Thats all it really comes down to.
It ain't gonna happen... at ease, people.. |
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Robin of Loxley
Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Location: Loxley
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
I had this dream a few months ago,
Last month, I had a dream that I was in a prayer house, praying with many others. I had a deep sense of dread that we were going to be attacked. So I ran outside to see what was happening and to my horror, I saw battleships on the coast preparing to invade our country(I dont know which country I was in). I ran to the outskirts of the city and found that many people were actually spies and working with the enemy. They were preparing to attack the people when the battleships invaded. ....
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Battlehsips, huh?
Then you could have been anywhere with a coastline except USA. |
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jinju
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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How will they do this if:
a. The missles cant even make it past Japan and blow up 40 seconds after taking off.
b. even under perfectly controlled conditions the nukes they have are duds with a yield of under 1 kiloton?
They have nothing to threaten the US with. The Americans should just send a couple of nuclear subs right off their sea border and say "make my day, but before you can even fire off a single missile, 20 nukes will hit your country, taking out everything you have. Oh, and we aved the BIG ones just for you mofos". |
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