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fiveeagles
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The King of Kwangju
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Are these people famous? I confess I don't recognize any of them.
Regardless, I don't need them or Michael J Fox to tell me that stem cell research needs to be continued. Whether it's in America or China makes no difference to me.
If I need what they're selling, I'll fly anywhere and pay any price. Period. |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Stem cell research has the potential to save and improve countless lives. Fiveeagles, do you have a problem with helping people, or with sick people living? |
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atlhockey
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff Suppan's a Cardinal.
What he says, at least, is a lie, the amendment most certainly does not make cloning a constitutional right. |
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huffdaddy
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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I just googled up the proposed amendment. It's outrageous that anyone would consider attaching this to a constitution. It's as silly as that 800 page EU joke. Here is just the first part of it--it goes on and on...
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT
Be it resolved by the people of the state of Missouri that the Constitution be amended:
One new section is adopted by adding one new section to be known as section 38(d) of Article III to read as follows:
Section 38(d). 1. This section shall be known as the � Missouri Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative.�
2. To ensure that Missouri patients have access to stem cell therapies and cures, that Missouri researchers can conduct stem cell research in the state, and that all such research is conducted safely and ethically, any stem cell research permitted under federal law may be conducted in Missouri, and any stem cell therapies and cures permitted under federal law may be provided to patients in Missouri, subject to the requirements of federal law and only the following additional limitations and requirements:
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I have nothing against stem cell research, but this kind of thing does not belong in a constitution. Adding it by referendum is an attempt at an end run around the normal legislative process. I don't much like the idea of referendums. They are the breeding ground of demogogues. |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Stem cell research has the potential to save and improve countless lives. |
Being pro-life, evidently, does not mean actually being in favor of the improvement of life, merely in its non-ending-before-birth-ness. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I just googled up the proposed amendment. It's outrageous that anyone would consider attaching this to a constitution. It's as silly as that 800 page EU joke. Here is just the first part of it--it goes on and on...
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT
Be it resolved by the people of the state of Missouri that the Constitution be amended:
One new section is adopted by adding one new section to be known as section 38(d) of Article III to read as follows:
Section 38(d). 1. This section shall be known as the � Missouri Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative.�
2. To ensure that Missouri patients have access to stem cell therapies and cures, that Missouri researchers can conduct stem cell research in the state, and that all such research is conducted safely and ethically, any stem cell research permitted under federal law may be conducted in Missouri, and any stem cell therapies and cures permitted under federal law may be provided to patients in Missouri, subject to the requirements of federal law and only the following additional limitations and requirements:
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I have nothing against stem cell research, but this kind of thing does not belong in a constitution. Adding it by referendum is an attempt at an end run around the normal legislative process. I don't much like the idea of referendums. They are the breeding ground of demogogues. |
Personally, I don't know where I stand with stem cell research. What I am against is how both sides are being represented. On one side, our only hope seems to be in stem cell research...we just don't know. All we know is that it is promising. Also, using victims makes it very difficult to argue the substance of the issue without it turning into a grudge match. ie Rush Limbaugh. On the other side, you have the condemnation of killing life. I personally don't see the strength of this argument either.
It's a very complex issue and asses like Rush Limbaugh aren't helping. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| and asses like Rush Limbaugh aren't helping |
I will completely agree with that.
I have only read an article reporting that Limbaugh attacked MJ Fox and said he was faking it or acting or whatever he said. I thought that was slimey. Really and truly slimey.
There is room for disagreement on the issue, and I have no idea if Fox was on or off his medication when he filmed that ad. Whether he was or not, Limbaugh should have addressed the issue, not attack someone who has a major health problem. I would use a stronger word for it than slimey, but at this moment, I can't think of a printable one. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| and asses like Rush Limbaugh aren't helping |
I will completely agree with that.
I have only read an article reporting that Limbaugh attacked MJ Fox and said he was faking it or acting or whatever he said. I thought that was slimey. Really and truly slimey.
There is room for disagreement on the issue, and I have no idea if Fox was on or off his medication when he filmed that ad.
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From reports I've seen, the medication causes the tremors.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691_pf.html
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| Limbaugh's shock at Fox's appearance is a measure of the disease's devastation, advocates say. Contrary to the charge that Fox might not take his medicine to enhance his symptoms, the medicine produces some of the uncontrolled body movements. |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| and asses like Rush Limbaugh aren't helping |
I will completely agree with that.
I have only read an article reporting that Limbaugh attacked MJ Fox and said he was faking it or acting or whatever he said. I thought that was slimey. Really and truly slimey.
There is room for disagreement on the issue, and I have no idea if Fox was on or off his medication when he filmed that ad. Whether he was or not, Limbaugh should have addressed the issue, not attack someone who has a major health problem. I would use a stronger word for it than slimey, but at this moment, I can't think of a printable one. |
Totally. On one hand, you want to believe that this could bring medical cures to many incurable diseases. It is a great hope. On the other hand, I cringe at the possiblity of big businesses using this as another chip to encroach upon our freedom of rights. Have you seen "the corporation". In it states that the genome is being bought out by big corporations in the race to map it.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/050300-104.htm The idea follows along these lines. |
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fiveeagles
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Hollywoodaction
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| If science was dictated by judeo-christian mores, we'd still believe in geocentrism. |
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stvwrd
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I just googled up the proposed amendment. It's outrageous that anyone would consider attaching this to a constitution. It's as silly as that 800 page EU joke. Here is just the first part of it--it goes on and on...
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This comes in a larger political context. Missouri's GOP has been trying to tack BS like this onto Missouri's constitution for a while. Most notably the "right" to carry a concealed weapon.
The proposal is really trying to give them a taste of their own medicine. It's the GOP that sent the precedent.
I'm a Missourian and used to work for Claire McCaskill before coming to Korea.
I agree though, it's dumb to have any of this stuff in the constitution. But if that's what it takes, f it. I'd be proud of Missouri to take ONE step in the direction of progress to counteract the many, many steps backwards it has taken in recent years. |
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ChuckECheese
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Fox should win an oscar for best actor for creating a new dance, "The Vibrator." |
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