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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: THE KOREAN DOUBLE-STANDARD: SALARY SCALES FOR FOREIGN PROFS |
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As Korea veterans know and newbies are fast finding out, Korean universities pay higher--often MUCH higher--salaries to their own than to Western professors who hold equivalent postgraduate degrees, including Ph.Ds. It is not uncommon for a Korean professor to earn 5 or 6 million won per month with roughly the same teaching duties as a Western prof earning 3 million.
Anybody know why this is so other than "they do it because they can" pat responses?
Also, anyone know a good university that offers salary parity in Korea?
Inquiring minds want to know. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
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IF the foreigner is happy with 3M, why not?
Koreans tend to have a higher investment cost in their education, therefore a higher reward is needed to keep them IN korea, or they would gladly take a job abroad. |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
IF the foreigner is happy with 3M, why not?
Koreans tend to have a higher investment cost in their education, therefore a higher reward is needed to keep them IN korea, or they would gladly take a job abroad. |
Nice reasoning. But, still, morally it is unacceptable. Things need to change. |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
IF the foreigner is happy with 3M, why not?
Koreans tend to have a higher investment cost in their education, therefore a higher reward is needed to keep them IN korea, or they would gladly take a job abroad. |
Living at home whilst studying, with parents covering ALL costs: tuition, allowance, text book/related costs etc AND obviously not paying rent, food, utilities etc....
So, no student loans. Hardly any of them have part time jobs and even fewer of them work in the vacations....
How did you come to that conclusion?
(and if they do study abroad, again, 'Daddy' pays the bills... |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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My Korean relative-in law (not sure exactly what he is) is a Law prof.
They have to bribe the right people to get the right job (very, very big $$$), and, at least in his case, he's expected to have studied overseas, which is also expensive.
Also, you may have PhD, but you're still just a language instructor - a job almost anyone can do. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Foreign Scholars Merit Equal Status
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| ... [Foreign professors] do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.... According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect. |
by John B. Kotch, JoongAng Ilbo (June 14, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html
Corrupt Professors Common, Students Say
by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html
51 Universities Face Penalties for Fraud
By Chung Ah-young, Korea Times (April 19, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200504/kt2005041917215911970.htm
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
Site Address: http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
Foreigners not accepted in Korea
"...you should not expect to be accepted as a member of a Korean's inner circle."
Consular Affairs Bureau, Canadian Embassy
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/main/pubs/korea-en.asp#Cultural
Here is a quote from the U. S. Embassy.
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| Korea is not an egalitarian society traditionally; one is either of a higher or a lower status than other people. Foreigners do not fit neatly into any scheme. They are normally treated graciously as one would a guest, but they may never be able to break into that close, inner circle.... a foreigner will seldom be accepted as part of the inner circle; he will almost always be an outsider looking in. |
from the U.S. Citizen Services, U. S. Embassy
http://seoul.usembassy.gov/cultural_pitfalls.html
51 Percent of New Professors Have Korean Doctorates
By Kang Shin-who, Korea Times (November 3, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200611/kt2006110318592411980.htm
University teaching load, pay, and what you may not know?
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=9900 |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you mean by western professors? You mean real western professors who do research and publish in peer reviewed journals? Or do you mean english instructors hired to teach at the university level? If you are comparing the english instructors to Korean professors who do research and publish, well, that's a very poor comparison. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| CabbageTownRoyals wrote: |
| Juregen wrote: |
IF the foreigner is happy with 3M, why not?
Koreans tend to have a higher investment cost in their education, therefore a higher reward is needed to keep them IN korea, or they would gladly take a job abroad. |
Living at home whilst studying, with parents covering ALL costs: tuition, allowance, text book/related costs etc AND obviously not paying rent, food, utilities etc....
So, no student loans. Hardly any of them have part time jobs and even fewer of them work in the vacations....
How did you come to that conclusion?
(and if they do study abroad, again, 'Daddy' pays the bills... |
There in lies maybe the higher pay scale. Korean white collar jobs assume the Korean male is the single bread winner and has to support a family, support his aged parents, pay for public education, hagwon, etc. In a pay as you go society, large companies and institutions take over the social safety net. Foreigners, viewed as temporary workers and single, are not assumed to have these sunk costs.
Of course, the Korean working at the desk next to you at hagwon would beg for your life, pay, and privileges if he/she thought begging would do any good. And I'm sure in many international companies, the foreign expat working in Korea is doing considerably better than his/her local compatriot: housing allowance, allowance for good international schools, etc. |
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Porter_Goss
Joined: 26 Mar 2006
Location: The Wrong Side of Right
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 3 million! I need to talk to the office guy at my Uni, stat! |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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