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ddeubel
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The only fear is FEAR itself. ......
I would suggest those really interested in the main issues behind conscription to read Tolstoy and his treatis on Napoleon's worst creation.... The Kingdom Within is the book but it is very little about the lord and mostly about the brutality of the Czars system of conscription and very comparable to the American version or forthcoming version....
There is a lot to be commended about a military career. The only problem is the end game....death, killing, blood and no more..... That is the problem and the reality which should be shone in each recruits eyes. Without it, a recruit is not really a recruit, just one who would say, "nah, it won't be me..." and it is that one notion that keeps them in business.....
Rambo excepted.
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cbclark4
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The American version of conscription has been around since the civil war.
Pre-dating Napolean by a bit. What is your point?
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ddeubel
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The American version of conscription has been around since the civil war.
Pre-dating Napolean by a bit. What is your point? |
Not in my Wellsian short history of modern mankind. Check your dates.
Also the notion of a public army was certainly the genius of Napoleon and the reason for much of his success. There were examples of conscription prior but none of such stateliness.
My point to say it ever so clearly -- conscription is a means where the rich get others to fight their wars without even having to pay much.... a public army is a standing army and its only outcome is further war, a warring world/civilization.
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R. S. Refugee
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
The American version of conscription has been around since the civil war.
Pre-dating Napolean by a bit. What is your point?
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Was there a guy named Dubya sitting in (or more likely, sleeping in) your history class? 
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"It is more a subject of joy that we have so few of the desperate characters which compose modern regular armies," he wrote, pleased that his army had taken on a different nature during his tenure as President, just completed five years earlier. "But it proves more forcibly the necessity of obliging every citizen to be a soldier; this was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free State. Where there is no oppression there will be no pauper hirelings."
He noted that so-called "voluntary" armies depend upon a "pauper class" for their existence. By the end of his presidency (1808), Jefferson had largely done away with America's standing army, and he was thus inspired to write to his friend Dr. Thomas Cooper, on September 10, 1814, that "our men are so happy at home that they will not hire themselves to be shot at for a shilling a day. Hence we can have no standing armies for defence, because we have no paupers to furnish the materials."
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canuckistan
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a public army is a standing army and its only outcome is further war, a warring world/civilization.
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Humans have been at war with each other since time immemorial.
Nature of the beast I suppose.
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R. S. Refugee
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Edit: Oops. Accidently posted the same thing twice.
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cbclark4
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