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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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 Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Re: ugh! |
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| Dude Love wrote: |
| One push to the shoulder; big deal! |
exactly. A push to the shoulder does not result in physical damage or compensation payments. It causes a diversion and breaks up the situation. Nice move... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Dude love....you saw a tense situation but the cops were there or not?
Ya got me confused here...if the cops were there, you made a mistake intervening....let them handle it as it is their job.
If they were not there...different story.
As for the shove...it might be seen as a small deal but sometimes a small move like this is all it takes to spark a fight or something else.... |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: reply |
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| The cops were there but so was a crowd. They weren't aware of this guy being up in a young lady's face or didn't care. When someone's in a dangerous situation I'll normally help them if they can't help themselves, even if it's not my job. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: Re: rapist ignored by Itaewon "police officers" |
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I've no love for K-cops, but since when does "someone said he almost raped her!" warrant putting the guy in jail? Or whatever it is you thought should have been done. |
Attempted rape is not a crime in Korea? Only successful rape? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:42 am Post subject: |
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EFL trainer...please follow the big bright letters on the blackboard....
Corporal was talking about evidence of the crime....not about the crime itself. |
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simone
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: rapist ignored by Itaewon "police officers" |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Corporal wrote: |
I've no love for K-cops, but since when does "someone said he almost raped her!" warrant putting the guy in jail? Or whatever it is you thought should have been done. |
Attempted rape is not a crime in Korea? Only successful rape? |
Pretty much. My incident was a few years back.
I assure you that unless you can also establish physical harm, cuts, bruises, you're going to have a hard time getting the police interested.
The Canadian embassy (when I got them involved) told me that I should just drop it, because they police just won't take it seriously. "Look, he didn't rape you, right? So everything's okay!" |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
EFL trainer...please follow the big bright letters on the blackboard....
Corporal was talking about evidence of the crime....not about the crime itself. |
Homer, why being an ass? And, sorry, but her "someone" was out to lunch. The girl herself went off in an ambulance, did she not? Guess her injuries were nothing? Nor her testimony? Nor that of possible other witnesses? Eh? Nor the continued assaults and belligerence of the alleged offender?
FYI, in case you aren't clear on the concept, being arrested is not equal to being convicted. There was more than enough for probable cause given the description of events. Hell, just the girl going off in an ambulance would be enough. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
EFL trainer...please follow the big bright letters on the blackboard....
Corporal was talking about evidence of the crime....not about the crime itself. |
Homer, why being an ass? And, sorry, but her "someone" was out to lunch. The girl herself went off in an ambulance, did she not? Guess her injuries were nothing? Nor her testimony? Nor that of possible other witnesses? Eh? Nor the continued assaults and belligerence of the alleged offender?
FYI, in case you aren't clear on the concept, being arrested is not equal to being convicted. There was more than enough for probable cause given the description of events. Hell, just the girl going off in an ambulance would be enough. |
Maybe he didn't rape her or try to. Did you even think of that? Maybe somebody else attacked her and he was trying to give her assistance. Then when he got accused of rape by some idiot he got in her face.
Bottom line: For all we know he could have been innocent. We only have the word of some foreigner who probably just wanted to sound important and made up a story. How did HE know what was going on? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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No one is saying nothing happened and no crime was comited EFL trainer.
I was saying that you seem to have miss-interpreted Corporals post.
Also, apologies for any offense...I should have been less sarcastic. |
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mt01ap
Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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Man, I have been reading this thread for awhile. Very entertaining and nice thread to those involved. 
Nice philosophical points on the difference between "asking for it" and "had it coming". 
Despite the arguments, I see some points everyone one this thread agrees upon:
1-rape is wrong, anywhere in the world
2-if the guy accused was trying to rape that girl, he�s an ass, plain n� simple.
Some of you guys are trying to be Horatio Caine or Gil Grissom, putting together this crime scene. Nice work, but not it�s not the main issue here, rape is. Rape is wrong (at least where I come from)
BTW, dude love, shoving the accused in the shoulder, isn�t exactly standing up to him. It�s not like you stopped the rape, you just heard the story and got hot-headed. 
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| It�s not like you stopped the rape, you just heard the story and got hot-headed. |
Good point.
But D-love still seems to have acted from a wish to do good.... |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: The Urban Myth |
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-No matter how many times I explain it there's always someone who doesn't understand. BTW, why do you refer to me as "some foreigner?" Did I ever mention my nationality? Is my nationality important?
-Yes, he could have been innocent. Either way, his behaviour was belligerent and he behaved threateningly toward a young lady. I saw both. To that extent, I knew what was going on.
-I didn't make up a story, and I don't know why you'd state that's probably what happened. If you think I'm making this up to seem important, ignore me. Get out of the thread.
The Urban Myth: "Then when he got accused of rape by some idiot he got in her face.
Bottom line: For all we know he could have been innocent. We only have the word of some foreigner who probably just wanted to sound important and made up a story. How did HE know what was going on?" |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
EFL trainer...please follow the big bright letters on the blackboard....
Corporal was talking about evidence of the crime....not about the crime itself. |
Homer, why being an ass? And, sorry, but her "someone" was out to lunch. The girl herself went off in an ambulance, did she not? Guess her injuries were nothing? Nor her testimony? Nor that of possible other witnesses? Eh? Nor the continued assaults and belligerence of the alleged offender?
FYI, in case you aren't clear on the concept, being arrested is not equal to being convicted. There was more than enough for probable cause given the description of events. Hell, just the girl going off in an ambulance would be enough. |
Maybe he didn't rape her or try to. Did you even think of that? |
Urby, you've nothing to say. Any time you post after me, that's a given. Let me state again, and try hard to wrap your mind around this: given what was stated in the OP, and only going on that as it is the sole evidence here, there seemed ZERO doubt who the perp was. That was the point of the OP. All other possibilities aside, FROM THE EVIDENCE GIVEN, if true (which is ALSO a given - that it MAY NOT BE - you numbnut), then there was far and away enough to ARREST him or AT THE VERY FRICKEN LEAST take him in for questioning.
Now, since this was already clear, and you and I both know you did not follow my post to actually add to the conversation, why don't you go spank yourself? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| then there was far and away enough to ARREST him or AT THE VERY FRICKEN LEAST take him in for questioning. |
True...how do you know the cops were not going to do that?
How do you know they did not do that the next day or later that night?
I mean as you said EFL...there are a lot of "ifs" in this story. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: rapist ignored by Itaewon "police officers" |
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| Dude Love wrote: |
Friday night/.
I walk away and I see another foreigner leaving the crowd and I ask him what happenned. He said the young man tried to rape the young woman when she was passed out on the side of the street and that an ambulance refused to take her away. ? |
YOU were the one that called HIM a foreigner. I was talking about this foreigner that told you a rape occured, NOT you. |
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