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lovingworld626
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
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 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:32 am Post subject: Chinese or Taiwanese? |
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I met a person who came from Taiwan yesterday. I asked, "Are you Chinese?" She said, "No, I'm not. I'm Taiwanese!" I was speechless to hear that. I was thinking to myself "What is she talking about?"
Many people from Taiwan have no sense of what they are talking about. They've been involved into the type of lame politic in Taiwan causing them so confusing about who they are. It's really sad that politic, which is a game of the adults, can cause such damaging to knowledge and origin. |
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da jiang
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:44 am Post subject: HAHA |
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HAHA,
that was funny.
I really hope you were making a joke though.
read my latest reply in the 'Culture' section about that whole business.
Actually, read all of them.
and look up the word 'bigot' in any old dictionary.
not if you were really making a joke though.
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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Location: So. Cal
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: Chinese -> Taiwanese |
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In 1775, most colonists residing in the northeast region of North America considered themselves loyal British subjects. By the end of 1777, most considered themselves to be Americans. Something changed.
Not long ago, most immigrants from the mainland to Taiwan considered themselves Chinese. But something is changing in the mindset of the residents, the same kind of change that happened to a bunch of former British (and German and Irish and...) colonists about 228 years ago, and for the same reason: rebellion and rejection of tyranny from across the sea.
It is not strange. It is the natural evolution of a free and democratic citizenry. You are witness to true progressive history in motion. The times they are a changin'. |
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element105
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 518
Location: Tsingtao,China
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hello everybody.I have got some words to tell you who don't know history very well.
It's not similar and it's no connection between the America independence and Taiwan break up from the mainland.The new continent was not belong to Britain as the British colonists arrived there.Taiwan has been a part of China since 1,700 years ago,in other words,the Chinese government has governed Taiwan since 300 AD.So we say,Taiwan is a part of China from of old,it is no doubt.And it is the domain of China,domain is the most important thing in our standpoint,we Chinese consider the domain is more important than anything else even our lives.
We Chinese hate war and treasure the peaceful life we have nowaday,as at least 20 million Chinese died in WW2,but if we have to fight for our own domain,then we will do. |
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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Location: So. Cal
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:18 am Post subject: The Empire Club |
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| element105 wrote: |
| We Chinese hate war and treasure the peaceful life we have nowaday... |
What a joke. Yes, China loves peace just as America loves peace. Everybody loves peace. It is empty and meaningless words. It is easy for the strong to say "we love peace" when the weak do as they are told like good little slaves. When the weak do not want to do what you say, then what? Those who truly love peace will do nothing to stop them from seeking their own destiny. What does China do? It threatens to kill Taiwanese if they do not behave like good little slaves. So China is very much the same as America: it cares nothing for real peace, it just wants control.
Welcome to the happy club of war-monger empire builders. You fit in nicely. |
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chenhaosen
Joined: 03 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: we all love peace |
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Of course, China wants to control taiwan just like American wants to control the whole world. In the opinion of China, Taiwan is absolutely a part of China. Just like Usa, it thinks all the world is a part of Amerian.
Taiwan is weaker than Iraq , while Ameican is stronger than Chinese mainland. Both China and Usa love peace. But there is a war between Usa and the weaker Iraq, while there is no war between mainland and the island.
SO all the people can get a conclusion:_________ |
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lovingworld626
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
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Location: Los Angeles, California
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Well, each person can generate thousands of supportive ideas to support his/her point of views on each particular topic. However, let's be as simple as we can. In my opinion, you should never forget your heritage because of whatever reasons, especially when it comes to politic. Politic is simply a game of the adults that have been playing years after years. I don't care whether Taiwan is part of China, but I boldly assert that there is nothing called Taiwanese. "Taiwanese" only exists in the form of greedy politic. (I'm not even a Chinese or "Taiwanese") |
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element105
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
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Location: Tsingtao,China
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:25 am Post subject: Re: The Empire Club |
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| Bob S. wrote: |
What a joke. Yes, China loves peace just as America loves peace. Everybody loves peace. It is empty and meaningless words. It is easy for the strong to say "we love peace" when the weak do as they are told like good little slaves. When the weak do not want to do what you say, then what? Those who truly love peace will do nothing to stop them from seeking their own destiny. What does China do? It threatens to kill Taiwanese if they do not behave like good little slaves. So China is very much the same as America: it cares nothing for real peace, it just wants control.
Welcome to the happy club of war-monger empire builders. You fit in nicely. |
I don't think that's a joke,it 's so serious. Where do you get your source,which said China threatens to kill Taiwanese?As far as I know,China never threatens to kill Taiwanese civilians.The only one we against is the minority in Taiwan who are looking for independence.Do you remember what I say?Our people from mainland and the people from Taiwan are compatriots,we have many relatives live in Taiwan,and we have the same blood flowing in us.
Can you tell me where are you from and how much historical knowledge of China do you know?If you just know a few about that,then please don't rumor source here with no proof,and why don't you go back to learn more. |
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Diana
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Posts: 494
Location: Guam, USA
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:49 am Post subject: Re: we all love peace |
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| chenhaosen wrote: |
Of course, China wants to control taiwan just like American wants to control the whole world. In the opinion of China, Taiwan is absolutely a part of China. Just like Usa, it thinks all the world is a part of Amerian.
Taiwan is weaker than Iraq , while Ameican is stronger than Chinese mainland. Both China and Usa love peace. But there is a war between Usa and the weaker Iraq, while there is no war between mainland and the island.
SO all the people can get a conclusion:_________ |
Perhaps, there is no war between mainland China and Taiwan, but China has its missles aimed at Taiwan. And if Taiwan decides to separate itself from China, what will China do?
Obviously, some people in Taiwan want to call themselves "Taiwanese" and that bothers China very much. So, how much will it bother China if one day Taiwan seeks independence? Already, some of the people there are separating their identities from China by calling themselves "Taiwanese."
Also, people in the US certainly don't see China as part of America. They pretty much know that China is China and Japan is Japan. The problem I see is that these countries like to COPY the US. Haven't you noticed that the younger generation of Japanese are coloring their hair blonde???? Even Chinese Jackie Chan now likes to make American movies and live in America. |
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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Location: So. Cal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: The Empire Club |
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| element105 wrote: |
| Where do you get your source,which said China threatens to kill Taiwanese? |
Your words. You said:
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| if we have to fight for our own domain,then we will do. |
How do you intend to fight without killing? Will you swim to Taiwan and punch the Tiawanese in the nose? Maybe twist their arm? Maybe the missiles you have pointed at Taiwan are magical and will destroy their defenses without killing any humans. 
Here is some recent history for you to read also.
http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdw/jdw010711_1_n.shtml
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-02o.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/docu1.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3825927.stm
Honestly, I think the leaders of China are sensible enough to do nothing about Taiwan. Taiwan's independence gives it economic strength, and now it uses that strength to benefit China with trade and business. If China invades Taiwan, it will gain nothing except 20 million angry Taiwanese slaves, and politically and economically be thrown backwards 50 years (what would China do if every other G-8 country decided to boycott Chinese-made products?). A free Taiwan (that does not have to waste money on military defense) can be China's best ally.
BTW, if you are so eager to invade a neighboring country, how about North Korea? You could say you were looking for WMDs and really did it for humanitarian reasons to get rid of a ruthless dictator. No one will be angry, I assure you.  |
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element105
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
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Location: Tsingtao,China
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't it clearly?The people we against is the minority which are looking for the independence.
I agree with you that any war will kill innocent people.But sometimes this couldn't to avoid.Imagining in this way,if there was no country fighting Hitler,some people would survive,but how the world would become?Or you can see Iraq,The US troops killed many innocent people,but they liberated the entire Iraq.
In fact,the Taiwan business men gain a large number from the mainland every year.The economy of taiwan can't hold without the mailand.
| Bob S. wrote: |
If China invades Taiwan, it will gain nothing except 20 million angry Taiwanese slaves, and politically and economically be thrown backwards 50 years (what would China do if every other G-8 country decided to boycott Chinese-made products?). A free Taiwan (that does not have to waste money on military defense) can be China's best ally.
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Haha,is it a threat?I have told you the confidence and the faith of us to defend our country.We won't hesitate to fight for the integrity of our country."Backwards 50 years?what would China do if every other G-8 country decided to boycott Chinese-made products?"From the Opium War to the year 1949,almost one century,China had been invaded by several countries,during that time,what did your country do for China?What did your country do when 300,000 Chinese were massacred by Japanese in the city of Nanjing.With the experiences,we don't be scared of any challenge.I found you indeed know nothing about Chinese people,you should learn more of 5,000 years Chinese culture and the spirit of our nation,or you couldn't understand the Chinese people.And don't call our countrymen slaves,youth,respect is mutual,people never say hello to beast.
By the way,our government has announced we won't fight until they announce their independence,there is only one China in the world,Taiwanese are Chinese,Taiwan is a part of China forever. |
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Diana
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| element105 wrote: |
China had been invaded by several countries,during that time,what did your country do for China?What did your country do when 300,000 Chinese were massacred by Japanese in the city of Nanjing. |
The US dropped two atomic bombs in Japan and Japan surrendered.
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By the way,our government has announced we won't fight until they announce their independence,there is only one China in the world,Taiwanese are Chinese,Taiwan is a part of China forever. |
Really? If Taiwan declares its independence, then you think the solution is to kill them? Just like the Chinese students in Tiananmen Square, huh? |
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element105
Joined: 14 Jun 2004
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Location: Tsingtao,China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Diana wrote: |
The US dropped two atomic bombs in Japan and Japan surrendered.
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The Nanjing massacre happened in the year 1937,which was two years ahead the WWII.The time of atomic bombs dropped in Japan was the year 1945,which was closed to the end of the WWII.There were eight years from 1937 to 1945.During the eight years,at least 20 million Chinese died in the war.
As for its separation,I think we will fight as the US troops fought in the war of Iraq,maybe we'll behead their leaders with cruise missiles first.Differently to the war of Iraq,we'll fight in our own territory, however the US troops fought in another country.
If you want to know more about the huge numbers of cruel crimes that the Japanese made in China,I suggest you to go to this website below:
http://www.china918.net/en/index_en.htm |
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Diana
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| element105 wrote: |
The Nanjing massacre happened in the year 1937,which was two years ahead the WWII.The time of atomic bombs dropped in Japan was the year 1945,which was closed to the end of the WWII.There were eight years from 1937 to 1945.During the eight years,at least 20 million Chinese died in the war.
As for its separation,I think we will fight as the US troops fought in the war of Iraq,maybe we'll behead their leaders with cruise missiles first.Differently to the war of Iraq,we'll fight in our own territory, however the US troops fought in another country.
If you want to know more about the huge numbers of cruel crimes that the Japanese made in China,I suggest you to go to this website below:
http://www.china918.net/en/index_en.htm |
Element, I already know what atrocities Japan had committed because they also attacked my island. They also raped and massacred my people.
What you don't know was that the Americans had broken the Japanese-American commercial treaty and cut off all oil supplies to Japan unless Japan withdraws from China and Indochina. Why else did you think Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor, Hawaii in the first place??????? This was the reason Japan was angry at the US and attacked the Americans in Hawaii. The US stopped all oil supplies to Japan and told them to withdraw from China and Indochina.
As for Taiwan, don't you think that reforming communist China into a more democratic country similar to Taiwan would be a better solution rather than killing your own people???? |
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:36 am Post subject: History Lessons |
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| element105 wrote: |
| what did your country do for China?What did your country do when 300,000 Chinese were massacred by Japanese in the city of Nanjing. |
From the beginning when the Empire of Japan invaded China, American and British volunteers traveled to China to fight the Japanese. Have you never heard of this? What do your teachers tell you in your schools? Did you think you fought alone? You say I should learn more of China's 5,000 years of history. I say you should learn more of China's last 70 years of history. You have always had more friends than you know.
http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/
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And don't call our countrymen slaves,youth,respect is mutual,people never say hello to beast.
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If Taiwanese are forced by threat of violence to work for the glory of the new Chinese Empire, what are they if not slaves? Fortunately they are not slaves yet, and hopefully (if more wise leaders permit) will not be in the future. As our good Diana says, it will be better for Chinese if mainland China becomes more democratic first. If you truly want reunification, that is the only path that will avoid war and bloodshed with Taiwan.
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If you want to know more about the huge numbers of cruel crimes that the Japanese made in China,I suggest you to go to this website below:
http://www.china918.net/en/index_en.htm |
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, that link seems to be loading slowly and with difficulty. Try this one:
http://www.marshallnet.com/~manor/ww2/unit731.html
(If you are angry now, this will make your blood boil.)
If you want to talk about ignorance of history, most Japanese today are ignorant of their country's criminal history. |
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