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I ticked: it depends

Here are the circumstances I would disclose my TRUE salary (I occassionally divulge my salary, but it is seldom my TRUE salary.)

The only time I reveal my REAL salary to anyone is when I ALREADY know the other guy's salary ahead of time. If his salary is lower than mine (it usually is), then I readily agree to tell him what mine is and even show him my latest paycheck.

If his salary is HIGHER than mine (and I know about it beforehand), I find some excuse NOT to show him my real paycheck. What I do is make a COPY of my real check and "photo-shop" it so that it shows a much higher salary than the other guy's salary. This is real easy to do if you know how....and over the years, I've become an expert.

Sorry, but that's what I do and that's what he gets for asking in the first place.
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[pooroldedgar]

First of all, that's way too much effort when you can simply say, 'eh, enough.'

Second of all, I'm not much of a Marxist, new-leftist kinda guy, but I do believe this whole it's-improper-to-discuss-salary thing was cooked up to by the overlords to keep the masses away from asking the important questions. A world where everyone knows each others' salary is a world in which the bosses can't pull one over on any of us anymore.

[akoo1]

Yes, that's exactly true. Not sharing salary information is a Western custom. It's part of the capitalistic super structure to keep employees in perpetual servitude. Constantly afraid of management and losing their jobs by asking for more money because a colleague got it. This is good for the employer. A staff of quiet workers who don't ask for anything extra. If, however we discussed in honesty our salaries, then we can begin to form some kind of informal union of frank teachers. And finally, get one over (the greedy employer).

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[akoo1]

vicious backbiting, accusations, jealousies, hatred and contempt among the group members is happening even when not discussing salaries.

Perhaps, it's a signal to a bigger problem.

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[akoo1]

Very Interesting!

This "rage" you talked about. Are there any who manage to avoid or tackle it? How did you fare?

Would member Gujambula be an example of an individual experiencing this rage? I would have thought the rage peaks around April/May (month eight) as the temperatures begin the rise (and exam period starts).

I would have thought NOW is the time of rage.

[nomad soul]

How about keeping this thread on topic so it doesn't turn into yet another KSA-bashing rant.

[veiledsentiments]

I don't think that it is really all that anonymous for many. Posters who have asked questions here often identify themselves with the details that they include to learn where to apply or if the package offered is OK.

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[cnthaiksarok]

I believe all salaries should be absolutely negotiable, completely public and easily viewable, for all to see.

ho hum

[sicklyman]

not sure if you can edit the thread title... but if you can, perhaps removing "on this forum" would make it more representative of the discussion here.

If you are being paid a salary that you feel is representative of the value you put on yourself for the job you're doing then you shouldn't be bothered if someone doing your exact same job is being paid more. if you are, it says more about you than it does about them.

When you're contracted to Aramco, it's not really your starting salary that determines your worth. It's your annual pay rise. These range from 0-10%. Unlike your initial salary offer when you join (which many don't realise you can negotiate upward quite a way), there is much you can do each year to ensure that you hit somewhere near that 10% when your annual evaluation is handed out.

I guess, for us, that gives a the satisfaction of a bit of control over remuneration and having your efforts recognised to a certain extent (depending on whether your principal is a total...).

I've never heard anyone ask anyone else's salary at Aramco. Among contracted teachers, I have heard people ask about pay rises though.

[jobsworthjohn]

Removing 'on the forums' would definitely make it a different discussion. Whereas the anonymity of the members - for the most part - on the forum , and its ostensible purpose of being a discussion and information sharing platform by definition (as opposed to a mere gossip shop) are why I ticked yes, if the discussion were about discussing salaries in the workplace I would agree with many of the earlier posters and vote no. So maybe a different poll for that one.

[nomad soul]

[jaffa]

The first question new classes (adults) always asked me was "What salary?"

I always answered, A, none of your business, Mohammed. And B, more than you.

Shut them up every time and they spent the rest of the course guessing/asking around what it was.

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