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Who is right? Hamas or Israel?
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Who is right?
Hamas / Palestine
36%
 36%  [ 17 ]
Israel
63%
 63%  [ 29 ]
Total Votes : 46

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tbag81



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: mokpo, south korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:36 am    Post subject: Who is right? Hamas or Israel? Reply with quote

Hamas has been shooting rockets into Israel, breaking the cease-fire agreement. Israel has retaliated, killing far more Palestinian civilians than Hamas has killed Israeli civilians.

No one is right when innocent people die. Let's just answer the question with our opinions.

Who's right?
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bjonothan



Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: All over the place

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muslims are like a cancer on the world that keeps spreading. I hope the Israelis make bitches out of them once again and teaches them a lesson that they won't forget. It is always sad to see kids get in the way and the outlook for the middle east is continuing to worsen due to that horrible cult they call a religion that makes people hell bent on disrupting other peoples lives or worse by killing them.

I am sure that it will continue to be a problem in the future. The problem is that we are faced with two choices. Leave them alone and suffer more attacks as they grow stronger, or bomb them back to the stone age so they can't do anything else. I vote for the second choice personally. I don't want any more people in my country, the US or anywhere in Europe to die because of Muslims.

If you hit hard they are less likely to attack again. You don't win wars by being nice....
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess Christmas really is over for you, eh?
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asylum seeker



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the neither option?
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asylum seeker wrote:
Where's the neither option?


That's what I was thinking. Nobody's hands are clean in this situation, but Hamas really sucks (for want of a better word).

They televise pure hatred to the populace, even including publicizing their attacks on Israel with disgusting narratives. Even 'childrens' programming' is not exempt.

They are a detestable operation and a blight on the legitimacy of the Palestinian peoples' claims of victimhood. It seems clear they are more interested in carrying out their mandate than securing peace and prosperity for their people.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have to go with neither as well.

Though I guess its better today than in a few years when the rockets being fired over the border from Gaza contain biological or chemical munitions and the retaliation from Israel leaves the world truly shocked.

If both states cant live in peace then maybe Egypt should take over Gaza and just return it to a pre 1967 position and maybe the West Bank could join with Jordan.

Both areas seem to small to be economically strong and its difficult to see how they could join as one country with a huge slice of Israel separating them. Its possible that the same thing that happened between West Pakistan and East Pakistan will occur and both will become a separate state.

Is difficult to understand why the world seems to believe that Israel must continue to trade with Gaza or have supplies sent through thier borders. It might be better for all if a UN neutal member state took over the access point between Gaza and Egypt and made sure that all products, electricity supply was checked according to the UN standards as well as taking over control of Gaza's airspace and sea lanes until they come to some sort of agreement that will stay at peace.

It seems rather strange to me as a neutral observer that the CNN map shows West Bank as a different color than Israel while marking Gaza with the same color as Israel but just a line demarcating it.

You would think that occupation seems a bit strong a word for a region with its own Government, Police, Army. terrorist allies. There are many other countries that would love that, the Tamil tgers of Sri Lanka are not considered occupied and yet they have less assistance and stability than Gaza.

I guess its easier to focus on Israel vs Gaza then Sri Lanka vs the Tamils. Both have on going wars and violence against them.

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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:

If both states cant live in peace then maybe Egypt should take over Gaza and just return it to a pre 1967 position and maybe the West Bank could join with Jordan.


This is absolutely the most reasonable and efficient path to a lasting settlement. There is absolutely no reason for there to be an independent Pali state. None. Zip. Egypt and Jordan can absorb their kin.
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Israel / Hamas Reply with quote

A third option in the poll is missing. Both are as bad as each other, as several others have already implied.
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Sapa



Joined: 05 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always think Robert Fisk hits the nail on the head.....

Quote:
We've got so used to the carnage of the Middle East that we don't care any more � providing we don't offend the Israelis. It's not clear how many of the Gaza dead are civilians, but the response of the Bush administration, not to mention the pusillanimous reaction of Gordon Brown, reaffirm for Arabs what they have known for decades: however they struggle against their antagonists, the West will take Israel's side. As usual, the bloodbath was the fault of the Arabs � who, as we all know, only understand force.

Ever since 1948, we've been hearing this balderdash from the Israelis � just as Arab nationalists and then Arab Islamists have been peddling their own lies: that the Zionist "death wagon" will be overthrown, that all Jerusalem will be "liberated". And always Mr Bush Snr or Mr Clinton or Mr Bush Jnr or Mr Blair or Mr Brown have called upon both sides to exercise "restraint" � as if the Palestinians and the Israelis both have F-18s and Merkava tanks and field artillery. Hamas's home-made rockets have killed just 20 Israelis in eight years, but a day-long blitz by Israeli aircraft that kills almost 300 Palestinians is just par for the course.

The blood-splattering has its own routine. Yes, Hamas provoked Israel's anger, just as Israel provoked Hamas's anger, which was provoked by Israel, which was provoked by Hamas, which ... See what I mean? Hamas fires rockets at Israel, Israel bombs Hamas, Hamas fires more rockets and Israel bombs again and ... Got it? And we demand security for Israel � rightly � but overlook this massive and utterly disproportionate slaughter by Israel. It was Madeleine Albright who once said that Israel was "under siege" � as if Palestinian tanks were in the streets of Tel Aviv.

rst of article.... http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-leaders-lie-civilians-die-and-lessons-of-history-are-ignored-1215045.html
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Israel Air Force warplanes killed 10 Palestinians on Tuesday morning in attacks that targeted Hamas government buildings and other symbols of the Islamist group, Palestinian witnesses said.


Yes, pro palestinians are absolutely correct. ISRAEL wont stop here, the trains are running, the US Jews are joining the SF as we speak.

OH MY GOD, have they dug the pits yet? ARE THE EUROPEANS READY FOR THE SLAUGHTER?

Have we cried enough tears for the victims of violence? Maybe an extra tear or two will pay for the blood that is shed?

(Ok, maybe I am stirring)
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a third party who arguably takes most of the blame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyaBWyNFZfA&playnext=1&playnext_from=QL
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