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sluggo832004
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 Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: Anybody Here work for Wall Street English or Pagoda? |
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I saw they were hiring and I was looking for adult teaching experience.
Anybody got any experience with them.
I got an offer from a international school, but I like the idea of teaching adults.  |
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itiswhatitis
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Go for the international school.
This is a no brainer!!!!
It sounds like you're an education major.
At the international school you are a teacher, at the hagwon (both "schools" you mentioned are hagwons) you are a white monkey.
Best of luck. |
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sluggo832004
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. But I really need experience teaching adults though.
But Hagwons are pretty tough from what I hear though. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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Canadian Club
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| It depends which international school gave you the offer. |
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big_fella1
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| Canadian Club wrote: |
| It depends which international school gave you the offer. |
This exactly. Some international schools in Korea offer low pay, and poor working conditions. Others offer high pay and great conditions. You need to evaluate your offer.
Wall Street English does not have split shifts and you would be teaching adults, competition is usally stiff, so you would need to apply from their website www.wsikorea.com
You should get more holidays at an international school. If they mention deskwarming, sitting at a desk over the vacations run, fast. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| itiswhatitis wrote: |
Go for the international school.
This is a no brainer!!!!
It sounds like you're an education major.
At the international school you are a teacher, at the hagwon (both "schools" you mentioned are hagwons) you are a white monkey.
Best of luck. |
Excuse me, but at my hagwon I am a teacher; I have my own classroom (computer and projector included), and curriculum (books/storybooks that the kids only do with me). So maybe, lets have less of your generalizations.
Unless... that's what you meant by being a 'white monkey'. I'm a little confused as to that reference. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Before running to the International school verify that in fact it actually a real international school! Lots of schools use international in their name when in fact they are not true accredited International Schools.
One of the key clues would be their hiring requirements AND whom they are accredited with. That can usually be found on their website.
The staff section can show you the type of teachers they hired too.
Note that in a real International School, you will work a lot harder than in a K Public School or Hakwon. In such a school you teach an actual subject, follow strict curriculum, have tons of grading (the usual bane of a true teacher), will be required to participate in extra-curricular activities (study club, sports...). There is not much "desk warming" at an International School, you typically have duties that keep you busy. You will also deal with parents, have to attend staff meetings.
Conversely, the experience you gain will be quite valuable and the pay is usually higher.
Pm me if you have questions. |
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sluggo832004
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Yeah its accredited. Because I would get a E-7 visa instead of an E-2.
They run off American schedule. Summers and christmas off.
The pay is around 2.7 in Us dollars.
The thing is my main goal is to teach university, and I think teaching adults should at least get me some experience on my resume since I dont have a masters.
Im just hope that Wallstreet isnt just another crappy hagwon and I end up regretting not taking the international job.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| sluggo832004 wrote: |
Yeah its accredited. Because I would get a E-7 visa instead of an E-2.
They run off American schedule. Summers and christmas off.
The pay is around 2.7 in Us dollars.
The thing is my main goal is to teach university, and I think teaching adults should at least get me some experience on my resume since I dont have a masters.
Im just hope that Wallstreet isnt just another crappy hagwon and I end up regretting not taking the international job. |
Ok good.
The experience you gain at that school will likely be worth more than the one you would gain at a Hakwon.
The University I worked for in Busan (and many others) will consider hakwon experience either as 50% value (so 2 years = 1) or not very much at all. Also, unless the experience is referenced, it will not have much value.
If your goal is to teach University, then I would personally grab the International School job. Note that without a Masters, your odds of landing a University job are very long in this competitive market. All too often if you apply and have no MA your file is rejected outright due the very high volume of applicants. |
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sluggo832004
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| sluggo832004 wrote: |
Yeah its accredited. Because I would get a E-7 visa instead of an E-2.
They run off American schedule. Summers and christmas off.
The pay is around 2.7 in Us dollars.
The thing is my main goal is to teach university, and I think teaching adults should at least get me some experience on my resume since I dont have a masters.
Im just hope that Wallstreet isnt just another crappy hagwon and I end up regretting not taking the international job. |
Ok good.
The experience you gain at that school will likely be worth more than the one you would gain at a Hakwon.
The University I worked for in Busan (and many others) will consider hakwon experience either as 50% value (so 2 years = 1) or not very much at all. Also, unless the experience is referenced, it will not have much value.
If your goal is to teach University, then I would personally grab the International School job. Note that without a Masters, your odds of landing a University job are very long in this competitive market. All too often if you apply and have no MA your file is rejected outright due the very high volume of applicants. |
Ive met some people without a masters working at a University.
Thanks for the info. Im getting a little tired of kids as well. maybe teaching adults will be a nice change. But part of me wants to also try international school. Im getting older (late 20's) and Its time for me to start planning and getting experience for my future.
Either way its a good problem to have. Im just glad I have an option of 2 jobs instead of zero, or some horrible kindy job.
How do you like your school?  |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| sluggo832004 wrote: |
| Ive met some people without a masters working at a University. |
So have I. In most (almost all) cases, they either A) got into the university system pre-2010, or B) are female. There are loads of lifers working in very highly ranked universities with unrelated BAs as their quals. They happened to be in Korea when university hiring standards were low. You didn't. Therefore your chances of landing a university job with just a BA now in 2013 are very, very slim. You didn't luck out like the other posters on this site. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
Excuse me, but at my hagwon I am a teacher; I have my own classroom (computer and projector included), and curriculum (books/storybooks that the kids only do with me). So maybe, lets have less of your generalizations.
Unless... that's what you meant by being a 'white monkey'. I'm a little confused as to that reference. |
You work at a hagwon. There's an important point there than can be discussed further. The question is, do you hold a degree in education? |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| sluggo832004 wrote: |
Im just hope that Wallstreet isnt just another crappy hagwon and I end up regretting not taking the international job. |
As far as hagwons go, Wall Street is pretty good.
As someone mentioned, no split shifts. I was offered a job there which I turned down in the end, but I found them to be super professional. No messing around. Really helpful with any questions. I emailed one of the current teachers at the Sinchon (i think) branch and he was honest and direct. They treat the teachers well. The work is easy. It's adults.
However, you have to work at least one and usually two Saturdays per month. The salary is 2.5, which isn't terrible. But they don't pay for your accomodation. They will give you 10mill for a deposit on an apartment, or you can take 100,000 per month housing subsidy. Holidays aren't great either. |
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Canadian Club
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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I think it also depends on what you want to do long term. If you want to stay in Korea and are single, a uni might be your best bet. If you're married and plan on kids, OR want to work in other countries, an International school offers you better opportunities. If you're planning on being here for a few more years then going back home to teach, then I think that again, the International School is your best bet.
If you DO get hired at the international school, clarify your package. Often, local hires get a fair bit less than international hires. |
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